Generic Extra Deck?

[Dark Strawberry]

What's the best generic cards to put in as filler for an Extra Deck? (Ideally Rank 3 and 4)

[Trebuchet MS]

Personal favourites:

• Number 50 for wall-killing
• Number 39 for basic defenses while being an good beater
• Evilswarm Ouroboros/Number 104/Disigma if resources allow
• Zenmaines for walling
• Temtempo for Material-sapping shenanigans
• Number 17 for being a good beatstick

[Magikarp!!!]

I would have to say run angineer over zenmaines if you need a wall. Gagaga cowboy's burn is really useful in repeated gamestates. Diamond dire wolf is spot removal. Lavalval chain is really good in most decks, and daigusto emeral is like an unlimited pot of avarice. If you are running WIND, then lightning chidori is utterly stunning removal. That is all I can think of gadjiltron didn't cover.

Oh. And ghostrick alucard for S/T removal

[Alastar Rainford]

And he forgets 101,69,Lavalval chain,maelstroke,and beelzbuth

[Azuh]

GemKnight Pearl always has a spot in my extra deck just cause of dat 2600 ATK.

[Aix]

Generic 2 Level 4s, in some order like this: Noblswarm, Ark Knight, Maestroke, Gagaga Cowboy, Black Corn, Papil, Abyss Dweller, Diamond Dire Wolf, Utopia.

Generic Rank 3s, something like (haven't really looked at Level 3s): Alucard, Angineer, Zenmaines, Fortune Tune (the last three are all stall)

[Blake]

Generic 2 Level 4s, in some order like this: Noblswarm, Ark Knight, Maestroke, Gagaga Cowboy, Black Corn, Papil, Abyss Dweller, Diamond Dire Wolf, Utopia.

Generic Rank 3s, something like (haven't really looked at Level 3s): Alucard, Angineer, Zenmaines, Fortune Tune (the last three are all stall)

@Bold: No deck in its right mind even runs Utopia anymore unless it has a niche for him to fill. It's not a good enough card.

 

Rank 4:

3 Mat: Evilswarm Ouroboros, Number 104: Masquerade

2 Mat: Noblswarm Belzebuth, Number 101: S.H.Ark Knight, Gagaga Cowboy, Nuber 50: Blackship of Corn (If you have space), Maestroke the Symphony Djinn (Again, space), Abyss Dweller, Diaond Dire Wolf, King of the Feral Imps (While not 100%, it's pretty generic), Lavalval Chain, Number 85: Crazy Box (For EEV stuffs, can be sided)

 

Rank 3: 

3 Mat: Geargia Gear X Gigant 

2 Mat: Mechquipped Angineer, Ghostrick Alucard, Number 49: Fortune Tune, Wind-up Zenmaines, Nubmer 30: Acid Golem of Destruction (Not 100%), Number 17: Leviathan Dragon, Leviair the Sea Dragon, Temptempo the Percussion Djinn 

[goddamnit names are a pain]

@Bold: No deck in its right mind even runs Utopia anymore unless it has a niche for him to fill. It's not a good enough card.

I should stop playing Xyz then. I think I was left behind this generation. XD

The list seems to fit about right, but I don't know 2-4 of them well enough. 

I personally like Night Papilloerative, but he is iffy. And doesn't actually do anything past being a beater.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

cards that are only beaters are useless. night papill and pearl fall in that category.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

I wouldn't say all, but I would say most, considering the boost is fairly large with Papillo. At least he gets to use an effect, Pearl sucks in comparison. 

Pappilo+Stoic Challenge=lulz.

[Maeriberii Haan]

Pearl's point is that he's an easily accessible beater that's immune to Fiendish and can beat Ophion one-on-one. 

[Blake]

Pearl's point is that he's an easily accessible beater that's immune to Fiendish and can beat Ophion one-on-one. 

Most decks with Ophion trouble have better answers than Pearl. You are correct about the usage, though.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

Most decks with Ophion trouble have better answers than Pearl. You are correct about the usage, though.

 

 

Pearl's point is that he's an easily accessible beater that's immune to Fiendish and can beat Ophion one-on-one. 

I overlooked that, nice. He seems better than I thought. Any cards that might detach those sitting Materials from him to gain a benefit?

 

Unfortunately, my deck I use the most can't do squat about Ophion. Still, I beat it before, I guess I can do it again. XD

[Trebuchet MS]

Any cards that might detach those sitting Materials from him to gain a benefit?

Xyz Gift and Xyz Block, anyone?

[goddamnit names are a pain]

Xyz Gift and Xyz Block, anyone?

I thought about Gift, and then I read it again. It takes a little much to pull off, but that could be me.

Forgot about Block. Derp.

[TFMegamanlan]

@Bold: No deck in its right mind even runs Utopia anymore unless it has a niche for him to fill. It's not a good enough card.

Rank 4:
3 Mat: Evilswarm Ouroboros, Number 104: Masquerade
2 Mat: Noblswarm Belzebuth, Number 101: S.H.Ark Knight, Gagaga Cowboy, Nuber 50: Blackship of Corn (If you have space), Maestroke the Symphony Djinn (Again, space), Abyss Dweller, Diaond Dire Wolf, King of the Feral Imps (While not 100%, it's pretty generic), Lavalval Chain, Number 85: Crazy Box (For EEV stuffs, can be sided)

Rank 3:
3 Mat: Geargia Gear X Gigant
2 Mat: Mechquipped Angineer, Ghostrick Alucard, Number 49: Fortune Tune, Wind-up Zenmaines, Nubmer 30: Acid Golem of Destruction (Not 100%), Number 17: Leviathan Dragon, Leviair the Sea Dragon, Temptempo the Percussion Djinn

Umm this list is a lot more made towards if your playing DN or in the OCG... The best list for RL TCG Playing goes like this:
Rank 4's
3 Mat:
Evilswarm Ouroboros
Number 104: Masquerade

2 Mat:
Gagaga Cowboy
Number 50: Blackship of Corn
Maestroke the Symphony Djinn (If you have space)
Abyss Dweller
Diamond Dire Wolf
Lavalval Chain
Number 85: Crazy Box (For EEV stuffs, can be sided)
Number 39: Utopia (if you have room)

Rank 3:
2 Mat:
Mechquipped Angineer
Ghostrick Alucard
Number 49: Fortune Tune (only if you have room)
Wind-up Zenmaines
Number 30: Acid Golem of Destruction (Only if you can easily pop it when needed)
Number 17: Leviathan Dragon (If you need just a beater)
Leviair the Sea Dragon (Only if needed) Temptempo the Percussion Djinn

King of Ferial Imps only is useful in a Deck that has Reptiles in it. At any point, there are plenty already here and more coming too.

[Blake]

Umm this list is a lot more made towards if your playing DN or in the OCG... The best list for RL TCG Playing goes like this:
Rank 4's
3 Mat:
Evilswarm Ouroboros
Number 104: Masquerade

2 Mat:
Gagaga Cowboy
Number 50: Blackship of Corn
Maestroke the Symphony Djinn (If you have space)
Abyss Dweller
Diamond Dire Wolf
Lavalval Chain
Number 85: Crazy Box (For EEV stuffs, can be sided)
Number 39: Utopia (if you have room)

Rank 3:
2 Mat:
Mechquipped Angineer
Ghostrick Alucard
Number 49: Fortune Tune (only if you have room)
Wind-up Zenmaines
Number 30: Acid Golem of Destruction (Only if you can easily pop it when needed)
Number 17: Leviathan Dragon (If you need just a beater)
Leviair the Sea Dragon (Only if needed) Temptempo the Percussion Djinn

King of Ferial Imps only is useful in a Deck that has Reptiles in it. At any point, there are plenty already here and more coming too.

Tell me more about how this is a TCG-only topic and not just a general topic.

 

Utopia is still shit in the TCG. You don't run it in the TCG because there's no reason to have a 2500 that doesn't DO anything. It's a card that bad players stuff into their extra when they can't think of anything better.

 

You should run Leviair before most other Rank 3s because it's a generally useful card. "Only if needed" pfft

 

Lots of things run Acid Golem even if they can't pop him. Why? It's a generic 3K beater, that's why.

 

I said Feral's not 100% generic, but a lot of decks that can R4 run a Reptile Engine, so it's close enough.

[TFMegamanlan]

Tell me more about how this is a TCG-only topic and not just a general topic.

Utopia is still shit in the TCG. You don't run it in the TCG because there's no reason to have a 2500 that doesn't DO anything. It's a card that bad players stuff into their extra when they can't think of anything better.

You should run Leviair before most other Rank 3s because it's a generally useful card. "Only if needed" pfft

Lots of things run Acid Golem even if they can't pop him. Why? It's a generic 3K beater, that's why.

I said Feral's not 100% generic, but a lot of decks that can R4 run a Reptile Engine, so it's close enough.

I'm just saying what is good in the TCG.
I did note to only use Utopia if you have room. He's an okay generic but there are better options then him. Some decks can still make use of him I bet.

Leviair is only good if a LV4 or lower Monster gets hit by Bottomless or D-Prison. And for a good player, they usually will pop a High level Monster so Leviair will just be a dead card.

No. 30 kills players on its own already. I'd say use it (I do as apart of an OTK in my deck) but be very careful, as if you don't have ways to get rid of it soon, it will just kill you. That's what I'm saying. My suggestion would be use it only when you are pushing for game but be prepared to kill it if playing him backfires.

[Blake]

I'm just saying what is good in the TCG.
I did note to only use Utopia if you have room. He's an okay generic but there are better options then him. Some decks can still make use of him I bet.

Leviair is only good if a LV4 or lower Monster gets hit by Bottomless or D-Prison. And for a good player, they usually will pop a High level Monster so Leviair will just be a dead card.

No. 30 kills players on its own already. I'd say use it (I do as apart of an OTK in my deck) but be very careful, as if you don't have ways to get rid of it soon, it will just kill you. That's what I'm saying. My suggestion would be use it only when you are pushing for game but be prepared to kill it if playing him backfires.

But that had nothign to do with my post. There was no need to say "but you mentioned ocg cards so shh". t was extraneous.

 

You should never run Utopia unless you're running him for ZW.dek or something. He's awful and better options will always exist.

 

Leviair's a good card to keep in the extra because of the following:

A. The opp may banish and options will always be a good thing. Always.

B. lolwut. A good player won't just sit there and say "Well herpdederp higher level means kill it". If they summon something like Heraldic Beast Leo, Blackwing - Shura the Blue Flame, etc. you should be trying to hit it sooner than later. It's not as black and white as you act.

 

You shouldn't be going apeshit into backrow or whatever else that would stop your OTK anyways, especially not with him. He's not just an OTK card, he's also a very big bait card  and a huge number that can really push games forward through cards that are giving you trouble. If they stop him with Fiendish, Bottomless, whatever, just shrug. They probably had to dispose of him, and more often than not, you won't be making him in a hopeless situation anyways. It's definitely a generic card, not just "run if you can pop fast"

[TFMegamanlan]

Fiendish doesnt stop you from taking damage or Detaching as that effect isn't optional just like Yubel's pop or Tribute effect isn't negated by cards that negate and leave it in play.

Actually my OTK means wiping the Field then push for Game. (No. 30 is to beat a Gorz that may show up, plus if they don't, the game's over because they just lost 8000+ LP.

What I'm saying is that Leviair is situational. Quite situational and is useless as a beater. Yes, he has uses, but when it's played against me when nothing's banished, it makes me feel like the Opponent is a noob.

I meaning besides ZW's. Other decks can use him even if he does just end up as a card that just goes boom by an effect.

Also No. 91 Thunder Spark Dragon is pretty good too. It can act like a Dark Hole but keep itself or if you can get 5 Mats on it (its normally a 3 Mat) it becomes a Black Rose for your Opponent only.

[Blake]

Fiendish doesnt stop you from taking damage or Detaching as that effect isn't optional just like Yubel's pop or Tribute effect isn't negated by cards that negate and leave it in play.

No idea who convinced you it was a maintenance cost, but it's not. It's an effect that triggers during the Standby Phase. It WILL activate, but will not resolve.

Actually my OTK means wiping the Field then push for Game. (No. 30 is to beat a Gorz that may show up, plus if they don't, the game's over because they just lost 8000+ LP.

But that doesn't mean it's all Acid Golem is only good for OTKs.

What I'm saying is that Leviair is situational. Quite situational and is useless as a beater. Yes, he has uses, but when it's played against me when nothing's banished, it makes me feel like the Opponent is a noob.

Uh... are you arguing that people make it against you when nothing's banished?

A card that takes up a single space in the extra for a realistic situation that can win you the game by it being in there is definitely somethign you should run. The "situational" argument applies to cards in the main deck or cards that have an overly specific timing, not for cards that you pull out when they're ready to be used and are in no way required to use.

I meaning besides ZW's. Other decks can use him even if he does just end up as a card that just goes boom by an effect.

And I'm telling you you're wrong. If you need 2500, Pearl does it better. If you need effect negation, you probably have a decent backrow to keep it alive/don't need attack negation. It's better to run cards that give your more answers and options rather than waste a space on Utopia.

Also No. 91 Thunder Spark Dragon is pretty good too. It can act like a Dark Hole but keep itself or if you can get 5 Mats on it (its normally a 3 Mat) it becomes a Black Rose for your Opponent only.

It's only good in the TCG until Belzebuth is a thing. Once Belzebuth hit's it's not worth it anymore because Belzebuth does it better. But yes, it's currently good in the TCG for thigns that can drop it with absurd ease (AKA only run it in Gadgets and Hunders).

It will never have 5 materials in any remotely competent deck. At least modern day.

[TFMegamanlan]

No idea who convinced you it was a maintenance cost, but it's not. It's an effect that triggers during the Standby Phase. It WILL activate, but will not resolve.

Yubel's effect is not a Maintenance cost. It's been ruled that Yubel's destruction is a Card Effect. The ruling states that the effect cannot be negated as it is not optional. Acid Golem says the same thing.

But that doesn't mean it's all Acid Golem is only good for OTKs.

Of course not. I'm just saying that's what I use it for. My only thing is just have a way to get rid of it unless you want to take tons of damage.

Uh... are you arguing that people make it against you when nothing's banished?

A card that takes up a single space in the extra for a realistic situation that can win you the game by it being in there is definitely somethign you should run. The "situational" argument applies to cards in the main deck or cards that have an overly specific timing, not for cards that you pull out when they're ready to be used and are in no way required to use.

Even so, you still have only 15 cards in your Extra, if you don't have enough room, then I'd suggest dropping this (if you already dumped the other excess junk in your Extra but need more room)

And I'm telling you you're wrong. If you need 2500, Pearl does it better. If you need effect negation, you probably have a decent backrow to keep it alive/don't need attack negation. It's better to run cards that give your more answers and options rather than waste a space on Utopia.

I guess it varies on Opinion then. I'd prefer not to have a Monster that's just for a beater. Which is why I prefer Utopia over Pearl.

It's only good in the TCG until Belzebuth is a thing. Once Belzebuth hit's it's not worth it anymore because Belzebuth does it better. But yes, it's currently good in the TCG for thigns that can drop it with absurd ease (AKA only run it in Gadgets and Hunders).

It will never have 5 materials in any remotely competent deck. At least modern day.

I agree completely. To be honest I wish we had that Trap that Mizeal used, the one that lets you target a Spell or Trap your Opponent controls and equip that and the activated Trap to an Xyz Monster. I think that would be the only one that would be used... But I digress...

[Blake]

Yubel's effect is not a Maintenance cost. It's been ruled that Yubel's destruction is a Card Effect. The ruling states that the effect cannot be negated as it is not optional. Acid Golem says the same thing.

The effect "During each of your Standby Phases: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, OR take 2000 damage." can be negated by "Skill Drain". However, if "Skill Drain" is active and "Compulsory Evacuation Device" is Chained to the effect of "Number 30: Acid Golem of Destruction" during the Standby Phase, then "Number 30: Acid Golem of Destruction" is no longer on the field, so "Skill Drain" cannot negate its effect. "Number 30: Acid Golem of Destruction" is no longer on the field, so you cannot detach an Xyz Material from it, so you take 2000 damage.[3]

From the wiki.

Even so, you still have only 15 cards in your Extra, if you don't have enough room, then I'd suggest dropping this (if you already dumped the other excess junk in your Extra but need more room)

Basically anything that R3s has more than enough room.