Can we ban [Where Arf Thou?] now?

[SANDAA BORUTO]

 

If you control a face-up Level 1 monster: Add 1 Level 1 monster from your Deck to your hand. During the End Phase of this turn, take 2000 damage if you did not Normal Summon the added monster, or a card with the same name, after activating this card.

 

Seriously. I won with Exodia on my 3rd turn. TO 0 NOW.

 

Discuss.

[Kazooie]

How about we ban Exodia first.

[Kingdom Xathers]

I swear, they keep forgetting that Exodia is (sorta) still a thing (either that, or they are willfully ignorant of this fact).

Should've added a Level 1 *Effect* Monster to the hand. That would have avoided Exodia all together.

[玄魔の王]

Why is this card the problem in that scenario exactly? Exodia has been the centre of degenerate decks since long before this card was ever revealed. Without Exodia, this thing will just fuel Chaos Piper, which I'm fine with.

[Toffee.]

How about we ban Exodia first.

This^
Exodia is a stupid concept anyway.

[Slinky]

I just miss the days where Exodia was only searchable through witch and sangan.

So you legit had to draw most of the pieces regularly.

[玄魔の王]

I swear, they keep forgetting that Exodia is (sorta) still a thing (either that, or they are willfully ignorant of this fact).

Should've added a Level 1 *Effect* Monster to the hand. That would have avoided Exodia all together.

Or they could, y'know, ban the head.

[Miror B]

Or they could, y'know, ban the head.

But the head isn't the searchable one ;O

[Toffee.]

I just miss the days where Exodia was only searchable through witch and sangan.
So you legit had to draw most of the pieces regularly.

Sangan was at 2 or 3, and Witch was at 1, if I remember correctly.

 

But the head isn't the searchable one ;O

Left Leg should go to 0.
Since, you know, it has at least 5 different OTKs with it.

[Delibirb]

But I need Where Arf Thou for non-degenerate decks.

 

Just ban exodia, or errata where arf thou for effect monsters only. Since apparently they can do things like that now.

[Goose]

Well designed because no matter what the idiots of the internet tell you, Life Points do matter

[Dog King]

I think Forbidden Lance should be banned, like it is a glad format so we need to hit it so maybe for once we will have a non glad format.

[Sleepy]

Definitely.

A generic searcher for Level 1 decks in need that takes a toll on you most of the time is definitely a problem.

Please just ignore the other card of the combo that says "You win the game".

 

The head might be the non-searchable one, but it IS what allows the win. Besides, it just feels right (flavor-wise) that it'd be the head.

However I do see your points people... I guess saying "Exodia lost his arm" as an excuse also I could get accustomed to.

 

 

 

Oh, and this is definitely shaping up to be a topic revolving around the intended card being discussed.

[Loyalist]

Don't get rid of dis! I need it for my Mokey Mokey OTK deck I am building! (I'm actually serious about this)

 

But you're free to ban exoida... Tis a silly place card.

 

 

 

eh not that funny a quote.

[werewolfjedi]

exoida in existance though gives the game it's reason to have archtype only draw cards though, otherwise they could consider unbanning pot of greed and graceful. or more likely, making new generic draws that would instantly become staple.

so exoida serves an important function to the game itself, to keep draw power under control, or we will get decks that consist of win condition, and 30 draw more

[玄魔の王]

But the head isn't the searchable one ;O

Because being able to search the limbs does so much for you when the win con no longer exists. #YCMLogic

[Blake]

exoida in existance though gives the game it's reason to have archtype only draw cards though, otherwise they could consider unbanning pot of greed and graceful. or more likely, making new generic draws that would instantly become staple.
so exoida serves an important function to the game itself, to keep draw power under control, or we will get decks that consist of win condition, and 30 draw more

This is ass-backwards logic.

They won't make generic draw cards too much because every time they do it either goes horribly wrong or it flops.

See Allure of Darkness vs, say, Common Charity.

And even then, generic drawing isn't bad for the game in and of itself as long as it's controlled. However, archetypal draw power ala Destiny Draw/Dodododraw should be kept to those decks. Because they serve as engines. When you give it to, say, Level 7 Monsters that like being banished and the draw card banishes, it's not exactly a fair card.

If anything I'd rather see weak generic draw as opposed to powerful archetypal, so idk how you think Exodia keeps drawing in check when it can be kept in check without exodia.

And lol@unbanningPoG. They won't do that just yet, though the OCG will at some point for sure.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

This does some stupid horse crap in Ghostrick Pipers. About it.

 

Psh this is a lolz way to do Exodia. Not even the best method.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

How about we ban Exodia first.

/thread.

 

Card creates problems for Exodia. Exodia should be banned, etc., etc.

[Wildflame]

Them combos with Ghostrick Mary, man.

[heraldry_lord]

Short answer: No

Long answer: I'd rather have Exodia get axed than this card.

[werewolfjedi]

This is ass-backwards logic.

They won't make generic draw cards too much because every time they do it either goes horribly wrong or it flops.

See Allure of Darkness vs, say, Common Charity.

And even then, generic drawing isn't bad for the game in and of itself as long as it's controlled. However, archetypal draw power ala Destiny Draw/Dodododraw should be kept to those decks. Because they serve as engines. When you give it to, say, Level 7 Monsters that like being banished and the draw card banishes, it's not exactly a fair card.

If anything I'd rather see weak generic draw as opposed to powerful archetypal, so idk how you think Exodia keeps drawing in check when it can be kept in check without exodia.

And lol@unbanningPoG. They won't do that just yet, though the OCG will at some point for sure.

tldr version: the game's already borken, banning exoida isn't gonna fix it anyway

 

ass backwards logic is konami logic, and we all know it. otherwise, dragons wouldn't have survived banlist hits.

allure, that actually puts a point in my argument that generic draw power is bad in general. it is easy to have enough darks in deck to play it, and most would if it was at 3. at one it doesn't come up often enough to be useful or game changing, so we play pots, mostly duality.

is allure was at 3, I know ghostricks and evilswarm would be playing the set, and they are contenders in meta level games, you can't ignore them totally.

I am not saying, Exodia is good for the game. it honestly is not. but it provides an important function to the game, it makes sure draw power that any deck can use, doesn't get out of hand, and without it in play, you know the stupid retards at konami will make a whole slew of draw cards because the main worry about them would be gone.

 

the card designers do not create cards with balance in mind, they want to make money, the company policy, values money more over game balance, unlike wizards, and hell even bushiroad keeps things in check as well.

I don't see how banning that win condition, is going to not allow such a thing to come to pass.

also, if you lose to exoida, maybe you should pay more attention to spells and traps and actually use the negation of such cards in your deck more often. honestly, I find my backrow does so much more than my front row for actually winning this game. the only thing monsters do is reduce life points, and while that seems to be the only win condition you ever want to see, you have to accept that other ones exist, it's up to you to build expecting to see them if your playing meta level or in any sort of ranking based play.

and don't give me the interaction speech when we all know most people on the meta level just play decks that are able to otk or total lock with both doing card spam all day, and the only thing that moves the meta is the banlist, and power creep jumps. otherwise everyone keeps playing what they already have.