evilfusion Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I don't think this card deserves a "ban". But it is awfully designed. It's a generic Rank 4, meaning tons of Decks have access to it. While its stats aren't too special, the fact it's a Quick Effect that nukes the entire Field if you're down on advantage can just be ridiculous. To me, it's not the early game where Exciton is broken. It's the later game, when you're trying to hold down or maintain your Field. It may not hit your hand, but it judges based on your combined hand and Field. The fact it can shift momentum so DRASTICALLY is what makes it frustrating, and even if you have something like Bottomless, Exciton is a Quick Effect. Combined with 101 being amazing and a generic Rank 4, I feel there was just too much power given to Rank 4 at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I don't think this card deserves a "ban". But it is awfully designed. It's a generic Rank 4, meaning tons of Decks have access to it. While its stats aren't too special, the fact it's a Quick Effect that nukes the entire Field if you're down on advantage can just be ridiculous. To me, it's not the early game where Exciton is broken. It's the later game, when you're trying to hold down or maintain your Field. It may not hit your hand, but it judges based on your combined hand and Field. The fact it can shift momentum so DRASTICALLY is what makes it frustrating, and even if you have something like Bottomless, Exciton is a Quick Effect. Combined with 101 being amazing and a generic Rank 4, I feel there was just too much power given to Rank 4 at the same time. This sums it up for me. Rank 4's are getting too much BS and it adds up. Nothing really deserves a ban but it would be nice until we get out of a Rank-4 heavy format....which isn't happening anytime soon. I mean I'm seeing it like TG Striker. It's not needed but it would shut things up until they didn't matter anymore. It's not getting a ban because it doesn't need one. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANDAA BORUTO Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I tend to avoid using this card whenever I can. In some Decks I don't even run it, because normally the main threat I want to get rid of is a single monster or Spell/Trap, in which case simple spot removal can do the trick. This card is sacky, and even though I rarely if ever use it, it NEEDS a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Pretty sure it was Cyber Dragon and company way back when that changed yugioh forever This. I quit around Floater Zaborg format and came back when E-Drags dropped. Cyber Dragon was the real turning point in what was a relatively slow, control-based game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 When Dustons become tier 0 we'll go back to slow control. >:{) But Exciton certainly doesnt need a ban, but any other hit (Which it does deserve to some extent) wouldnt actually matter being an Extra Deck monster that is usually only run at 1 anyway. Creates far too much of a swing advantage that screws opp over worse than any other card of its kind. Its better than Black Rose, better than Heavy Storm and Dark Hole... It might as well say "Add 1 Harpie's Feather Duster and Raigeki to your hand" as thats essentially what it does. If you make Exciton you dont have anything worth keeping anyway, it exists solely to sack a win that you probably dont deserve. That being said I still run it in my DN decks that can make it because it is so powerful, ignoring my feelings towards it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 I agree the card is badly thought out, but. -It's not bad that it's easy to make. You wouldn't be able to do this while losing badly and it's when it'd be best meant for. -It's not bad that it punishes over-extension. You basically Black Rose the field but can't OTK with it anyways. It's EXACTLY what the problem was with Heavy. Which btw Black Rose is still out as well and is as easy to make as a teched Birdman. What's questionable about it is having 2 shots at it that could potentially go off in the same turn a la JD, but after the first one blows up, you shouldn't still have equal or more cards than your opponent to do this. Then there's the ones that wait for the Battle Phase use, which is stupidly easy to work around since it won't blow up until the opponent decides they've made enough preparations for the Battle Phase to start. It all boils down to "If I set my whole hand and with no Fiendish Chain/Effect Veiler/Breakthrough Skill, I lose and that means I can't play Yugioh by setting my whole hand". No people, if you set 1, it could be MSTd in a power play. If you set all, this is just punishment. If you set around 2, keeping some in hand and some on field, that's how it's done. Think about what's best to set but don't go too conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Yugioh will never be the same after Dragon Ruler format.Because Rulers were in a league all by themselves, and it got to such an extreme that anything that WASN'T Rulers was literally unplayable.(Spellbooks could do stuff, but still) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Exciton was like drugs to yugioh- it shifted the game around itself to the point where it can now be seen as a necessary evil. As a side note, Yugioh will never be the same after Dragon Ruler format. Heavy Storm was a "necessary evil" that caused players to play differently than they would have without it. Take from that what you will. And really, Ruler format was horrid beyond belief, but you can't forget Inzektor/Wind-Up Format, Stratos at 3, and all of the other crap that's been forced on us. It's why I don't play remotely competitively anymore. I just prefer to play games against random decks or against friends, or using gimmicks to make things a bit different (such as the tournaments I hold). I'm not going to say that competitive players and competitive decks shouldn't exist, especially since even if I thought that it wouldn't change that they would. Unfortunately, in general with card games, something is going to be the best and played the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Ruler Format NEVER. AGAIN. I'm just glad Morphing Jar 2 was a thing at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 IDGI what the hell's wrong with you peopleRuler Format was bad, yeah, but it's not even one of the top 3 worst formats in the game's history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 If you think Goat Format was bad you've been drinking too much. Goat Control was the most skill oriented format. The only reason it is so infamous is no one seems to like control decks. Also Thousand-Eyes Restrict was godly but that's beside the point. And if you werent implying Goat Control Format then please move along... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 If you think Goat Format was bad you've been drinking too much. Goat Control was the most skill oriented format. The only reason it is so infamous is no one seems to like control decks. Also Thousand-Eyes Restrict was godly but that's beside the point. And if you werent implying Goat Control Format then please move along... :P I don't think that was what was implied. Goat format was weak in deck diversity, but was awesome in terms of fun and skill. If I had to bash a format, it'd be FTK formats. Remember Mass Driver Frogs or Makyura? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Evilswarm Exciton Knight looks like a kamen rider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 I don't think that was what was implied. Goat format was weak in deck diversity, but was awesome in terms of fun and skill. If I had to bash a format, it'd be FTK formats. Remember Mass Driver Frogs or Makyura? Makyura sucked the most. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Makyura sucked the most. Ugh. Oh no it did not. The worst was the one that got the ban list created in the first place, Chaos Yata. Those weren't even duels, they were just an exercise in the arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 What about the format with Inzektor field rape and W-U hand rape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 What about the format with Inzektor field rape and W-U hand rape? Already been mentioned by Eye-Cheeks. I do question though - does this card influence formats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Already been mentioned by Eye-Cheeks. I do question though - does this card influence formats? You mean Exciton? Potentially, might make people run Level 4's or Level 4-based decks more, just so they can use a field wipe essentially whenever they want. Also could make people run more effect negation in fear of Exciton. I dunno, depends on the general mindset of average deck builders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 You mean Exciton? Yes.Potentially, might make people run Level 4's or Level 4-based decks more, just so they can use a field wipe essentially whenever they want. Also could make people run more effect negation in fear of Exciton. I dunno, depends on the general mindset of average deck builders. And that's the most damming thing anyone can say - if a card can single-handedly bend a format, something is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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