Let's actually discuss [Solemn Warning] post-DRLG

[Blake]

 

While I'm definitely not writing it out completely, this card feels a lot weaker to me on paper post-DRLG, at least for the current format.

 

With Soul Charge it feels a little clunky because of the fact you're gonna be paying multiples of 1000s of LP, at least 1K, to revive things. Given that this is a Rekindling, this is rather potent. So 2K is a rather real cost in a game where LP matter again. However, this is not inherently enough reason to stop running Warning, because Warning is going to win important games.

 

But then there's Wiretap. Paying 2K to stop a play, only to have it spun into the deck to be a dead draw later is really bad. Again, not enough reason to stop on its own, at least not yet, but... There's the matter of both Soul Charge and Wiretap being cards at the same time. Wiretap's not Trap Stun, but it is a Counter Trap and does stop the chain, and it forces potential dead draws. Granted, counters existing isn't an argument, but up to 3 Wiretap (probably 2) to 1 warning doesn't end in warning's favor.

 

But then there's the issue that a card like this seems essential in a format with Exciton, Soul Charge, etc. existing.

 

It all really comes down to how Wiretap itself plays out, but... I'm a bit wary, anxious, and want to test how all of this is going to play out, and discuss it.

[Delibirb]

I agree, to me, this seems like it will be losing a lot of its power, as it is very likely most people will be making room for 2-3 Soul Charge in their decks, thus being willing to pay several thousand life points. Meaning of course, it is easier to lose the ability to activate this card or to feel safe activating it.

 

I hadn't thought of Wiretap, but that is a good point. Obviously it will probably become a staple, and with it at 3, stopping a Solemn would be an excellent use of both its negation, and also its shuffle gimmick. That's just another way this will lose the game-winning nature this card currently has/used to have.

 

I cant say I'm unhappy to see this go, but I wouldn't be surprised if it sees much less play now that 2000 Life Points is actually a legitimate price.

[Jord200]

Never thought I would see the day when Solemn Warning was in danger of becoming obsolete....

[Toffee.]

Should totally swap Warning with Judgment, Konami

[Aix]

You will need this to stop Soul Charge ouo

[Blake]

But then there's the issue that a card like this seems essential in a format with Exciton, Soul Charge, etc. existing.

You will need this to stop Soul Charge ouo

So I said.
 
Granted, there are searchable answers that can be used, but the former is a worse TT (granted TT is limited) and the latter is OCG, doesn't actually stop Soul Charge, while it does stop what Soul Charge leads to a lot of times and doesn't lose as hard to Wiretap or Trap Stun... but it's not a counter trap and that SS/Hand/Extra.
 
Then there are other good trap holes, but they don't replace Warning, and nothing bar SJ really could. Even the two above (latter being generically good nonetheless) don't even come close.

[Neochu-H]

no lets just all run ophion since ppl are gonna be running soul charge

[Rodrigo]

GOD SAYS "bad girl, please don't do that anymore"

[Rawkobo]

It's incredibly dependent on whether Wiretap takes off or not. We know it's going to be a board card, but it might not be as significant as we think.

 

Otherwise, idk. Pendulums are coming soon. Card becomes more reasonable again around then.

[Dog King]

to stahp soul charge run vanities emptiness or something

[Blake]

to stahp soul charge run vanities emptiness or something

... In an upcoming Artifact Format?

Are you suicidal?

[Dog King]

... In an upcoming Artifact Format?

Are you suicidal?

 

well ill just side 10 cards v artifacts and win g1 against other decks idk

[Blake]

well ill just side 10 cards v artifacts and win g1 against other decks idk

So instead of actually thinking through how to counter a general format defining card without compromising your deck or matchups, you're going to plan to counter just that card and ignore that multiple decks don't give a fuck about that card and they still exist.

Artifacts laugh their ass off

I mean, Fists can counter it fairly easily, thus making Vanity's only good when you're winning or against Soul Charge

Bujins can play around it and may be relevant Post-PRIO

Maining Vanity's for a revival card when a Deck/Engine can counter Vanity's is dumb, although the engine doesn't counter it near as much. The whole "oh i'll just lose g1 to artifacts l0l" is horrible logic when Vanity's isn't even a good card.

[Dog King]

if its artifact format u wont win g1 anyway unless youre using artifacts

[Blake]

if its artifact format u wont win g1 anyway unless youre using artifacts

And your argument continues to break down further.

You're going to use a card that counters Soul Charge but loses to Artifacts in a format where you're not going to beat Artifacts T1 and thus cost yourself what, according to your own post, will be the main deck of the format.

So instead of improving what you are conceding to be the main matchup, you're improving rogue or lesser matchups.

I mean, I'm not convinced artifacts are going to be the do-all-end-all, but they're going to be relevant, but you said if it's an artifact format you lose G1. Then why not try to improve that G1 so you DON'T lose? Artifacts are not so absurd they autowin G1, so running cards to make a matchup worse makes no sense.

[Toffee.]

And your argument continues to break down further.

You're going to use a card that counters Soul Charge but loses to Artifacts in a format where you're not going to beat Artifacts T1 and thus cost yourself what, according to your own post, will be the main deck of the format.

So instead of improving what you are conceding to be the main matchup, you're improving rogue or lesser matchups.

I mean, I'm not convinced artifacts are going to be the do-all-end-all, but they're going to be relevant, but you said if it's an artifact format you lose G1. Then why not try to improve that G1 so you DON'T lose? Artifacts are not so absurd they autowin G1, so running cards to make a matchup worse makes no sense.

Lets throw caution to the wind and find a way to make Dark Simorgh playable here.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

I strongly dislike this card.

I'd like it to be banned. =\

 

It's just.....the cost is largely non-existant and essentially wins games assuming you play it correctly. 
It just doesn't feel good for the game.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

I strongly dislike this card.

I'd like it to be banned. =\

 

It's just.....the cost is largely non-existant and essentially wins games assuming you play it correctly. 
It just doesn't feel good for the game.

 

If you've been paying attention to the thread, the Life Point cost of this card is starting to come into play again with Soul Charge and Wiretap being cards. Though, the impact DRLG will have on Solemn Warning has yet to be decided as Black has mentioned since it rests on the relevance of Wiretap.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

If you've been paying attention to the thread, the Life Point cost of this card is starting to come into play again with Soul Charge and Wiretap being cards. Though, the impact DRLG will have on Solemn Warning has yet to be decided as Black has mentioned since it rests on the relevance of Wiretap.

Other cards really should not be the deciding factor in whether or not a card is ok. 

"Effect negation exists, CED is fine"

This card is not good for the game. It just isn't. There may come a time where it isn't relevant, I agree. But that most likely won't be permanent and this card still does what it does. Not to mention one of the two reasons it may be meh is most likely going to be limited/banned. (Most likely limited).

2 Cards making a card meh is a tad bit far fetched, even for cards that could widely be used.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Other cards really should not be the deciding factor in whether or not a card is ok. 

"Effect negation exists, CED is fine"

This card is not good for the game. It just isn't. There may come a time where it isn't relevant, I agree. But that most likely won't be permanent and this card still does what it does. Not to mention one of the two reasons it may be meh is most likely going to be limited/banned. (Most likely limited).

2 Cards making a card meh is a tad bit far fetched, even for cards that could widely be used.

 

I get the part that SW is bad for the game, though that's not my argument. I may have worded it wrong, but I was arguing that SW's relevance is a problem due to its Life Point cost having to compete with Soul Charge's. And tbh, Soul Charge is going to have more of a use for those Life Points than SW. I'm honestly curious on how this format is going to play out with Soul Charge, and I'm even more curious to see how this format is going to affect SW.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

And tbh, Soul Charge is going to have more of a use for those Life Points than SW. I'm honestly curious on how this format is going to play out with Soul Charge, and I'm even more curious to see how this format is going to affect SW.

Oh yes, I agree with all of this.

The announcement of Soul Charge felt like it turned the game on its head and now we have to somewhat rethink our decks.

It's nice.

[Aix]

Oh yes, I agree with all of this.

The announcement of Soul Charge felt like it turned the game on its head and now we have to somewhat rethink our decks.

It's nice.

Did you... just call... Soul Charge... nice?

[goddamnit names are a pain]

Did you... just call... Soul Charge... nice?

Among other things, yes.

I mean it's nice we get to rethink the game for a bit. I just like that concept.

Also I love Soul Charge

<3

Gate Guardian Tier 0

 

I haven't seen it be played a lot yet which makes sense, but it's something I want to see.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

I feel that pendulum summons ought to keep this relevant, despite the new issues.

[Toffee.]

How exactly, would Warning work against Pendulum Summons anyway?