Speedy the First Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 There has been a lot of debate on whether or not to have a death penalty in the US. What do you guys think about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I disagree, only because I believe people should live with the guilt of what they've done for the rest of their lives, unless they show no remorse, in which case hurt should be done, but not death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I think it depends, but a couple things I believe should happen is that murderers be killed, and if you're going to spend the rest of your life in prison, you should be killed, because by that point you're just a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Regardless of whether or not it's fair or just or right or whatever, it's simply not worth it IMHO. Watch this s***. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kye2oX-b39E Those statistics are not good. It's simply not worth the risk or the money, especially when life in prison literately ruins your entire life anyway. Capital punishment is impractical and killing innocent people is not okay. I think it depends, but a couple things I believe should happen is that murderers be killed, and if you're going to spend the rest of your life in prison, you should be killed, because by that point you're just a waste of money. Executing someone costs much more than keeping someone in prison for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Never researched the topic myself, but I've heard plenty about it from others saying how it isn't all that great. As far as I can tell, there's some staggering statistic about the number of innocent people getting sentenced to death. There's also something about the procedure and paperwork around it costing some great deal. EDIT: Tentacruel beat me to it. Though I'm really curious as to why. As a principle, too, I'd say killing is ultimately not the best solution. If at all possible, people should be rehabilitated and reformed to return to society, though that is a pipe dream. The point of justice should be to benefit the people and our society, not strike revenge on those who have committed crimes. Everyone should read this short and heartrending manga that actually gets you to sympathize with a death row criminal who murdered three innocent people including a baby: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Watashitachi-no-Shiawase-na-Jikan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 As a principle, too, I'd say killing is ultimately not the best solution. If at all possible, people should be rehabilitated and reformed to return to society, though that is a pipe dream. The point of justice should be to benefit the people and our society, not strike revenge on those who have committed crimes. Exactly. Personally, I don't have the same sense of justice as a lot of people. I don't feel angry at murderers or people who I feel have a negative impact on society. If someone were to do something terrible to me, of course I'd feel angry at them, but I wouldn't really get any satisfaction from justice being carried out unless I was able to kill them myself, at which point it would be vengeance, not justice. It's a strange thing to say that I believe in vengeance more than justice, but I do believe that the law is necessary, not to carry out some divine punishment against the wicked, but to prevent crime from happening in the first place. Murder isn't illegal to punish murderers, it's illegal to protect our asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I disagree with the death penalty. Death is an easy way out, much better to have someone suffer in prison. Plus if someone is falsely charged and they get killed, it's over, if the get imprisoned then at least they have a chance to start again. And the idea that we can just kill people when we feel they did something worthy of being killed for doesn't sit right for me. Basically what most people here said already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Executing someone costs much more than keeping someone in prison for life. Well then they're not doing it very efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I personally think we shouldn't have the death penalty. Mind you, I live in Hawaiʻi, which doesn't have this [you just get life in prison without parole]. As some people already mentioned, innocent people have been falsely executed in our system and only later, after they're long dead, do they get their names cleared. The government is still imperfect in how they manage these things, even with all of the DNA analysis and so on. You kill them, that's it as you cannot revive the dead once they're gone. They're still in prison (and hopefully alive), at least you can let them go after reviewing the case again [and makes the government feel stupid after they made false accusations] And the idea that we can just kill people when we feel they did something worthy of being killed for doesn't sit right for me. Exactly. I guess I should bring up a recent case involving an ex-soldier down here. As a sidenote, this is the only death penalty case over here since the territorial government abolished it in 1957. It happened on federal property [military base], so capital punishment CAN be dealt, even though we got rid of it because of a disparity in people that got executed in territorial days (I did some research). The guy severely beat up his 5-year old daughter back in 2005 (and she died as a result). While that's pretty disgusting, I don't think the government should be allowed to kill someone, especially in a state that doesn't permit it in the first place. In a nutshell, capital punishment is essential "murder", but it's okay because the government is doing it under the law. As already mentioned, death is an easy option. Life in prison, while being more expensive, since you have to house/feed said prisoners, does keep them alive for whatever they did to haunt them. On that note though, prisons in the mainland US are trying to find new "secret" sources of drugs used in lethal injections, since pharmacies in Europe aren't supplying them any more because they disprove of their drugs being used to kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolspy74 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 There's a death penalty for rats invading peoples' homes. Death by mouse trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 As already mentioned, death is an easy option. Life in prison, while being more expensive, since you have to house/feed said prisoners, does keep them alive for whatever they did to haunt them. If you honestly think that most murderers / rapists / etc feel bad about what they did, then you are seriously naive. No, their acts will not "haunt" them, so that's a minus for that argument. And yes, the other minus is going to be the maintenance cost of a single inmate, especially when, according to this page, the annual average taxpayer cost in these states was $31,286 per inmate. Add that number up to the number of people in the system and bam, a shitton of money, just for to keep the prisoners fed while they're sitting on their asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Then it's making them their lives hell. Through a whole host of nasty means. I'm up for that. People commonly use the argument 'an eye for an eye'. But then there was the addition of 'then the world goes blind' as the chain never ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Then it's making them their lives hell. Through a whole host of nasty means. I'm up for that. That's pretty much a borderline way of vengeance / "eye for an eye" mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Too much money spent. If we're going to have the death sentence just give the judge or whoever in the court a gun and let them do it. Don't say you're going to have the guy die then have him rot in death row for 20+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 The American justice system is fucked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 I don't think a death penalty is necessary. I think a life sentence should mean life, without exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 The reason the death penalty is more expensive is because they have to becertain without a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty. A very long and very expensive legal process. A friend of mine has an uncle who was on death row for having killed 3 police officers. He was later released as there was insufficient evidence to actually convict him and he had a very solid alibi which wasn't acknowledged until about two years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Well then they're not doing it very efficiently. You'd condemn people to death for inefficiency when you're on YCM? I wouldn't like your chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 You'd condemn people to death for inefficiency No, I'm saying the death penalty isn't being done efficiently if it's more expensive than paying for a prisoner's stay in prison for the rest of his life. It's got nothing to do with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 No, I'm saying the death penalty isn't being done efficiently if it's more expensive than paying for a prisoner's stay in prison for the rest of his life. It's got nothing to do with me.Massive part of the cost is in court. There is more money put into it because you're trying to decide the life or death of a possibly innocent human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 On the subject of the value of a life: "One hitler shall henceforth be a unit of measurement equal to 6.0*106 human deaths. Standard SI prefixes apply. Thus Harold Shipman's achievements amount to 36 microhitlers. The true utility of the hitler as an SI unit is it allows useful unit conversions. For example: the EPA currently values a human life as being worth 6.9 million us dollars (6.9 megadollars). A simple unit conversion thus gives us 1 hitler is equivalent to -41,400,000,000,000 dollars. (-41 teradollars). It can therefore be quantitatively established whether or not someone is "worse than hitler". When congress failed to pass a stimulus bill in 2008 the market lost 1.2 trillion dollars in 1 day, roughly equivalent to 29 millihitlers. Joseph Stalin is the only human I know of who can be called worse than hitler, as his achievements clocked roughly 5 hitlers. When your bank nails you with a 35 dollar fine, you can confidently tell the teller that they are currently fucking you over to the tune of 84 picohitlers and ask if they have a very tiny auschwitz behind the counter." http://www.reddit.com/comments/dlu96/new_si_unit_one_hitler/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 the EPA currently values a human life as being worth 6.9 million us dollars That's their problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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