Mystical Space Typhoon

[jabber2033]

 

So how many are people going to run this format?  3 because of Qlips?  Or less due to less Vanitys and things to hit?

 

Discuss.

[CLG Klavier]

Honestly? Usually 0 now and keep 2-3 in side. IMO there's not enough backrow threats ATM. Unless your deck SERIOUSLY folds to Vanity/Skill Drain, then you might still run like 2.

[J-Max]

Usually 2 or 3. I often predict a Mirror Force and guess right.

[ihop]

I play Shaddoll, so 0 because Dragon does the job most of the time. There aren't as many powerful floodgates and pendulum scales anymore and the ones that exist are sidedecked, so there aren't really any things I'd recommend maining MST in. Side 3 at all costs, though.

[Toffee.]

Be a pro and play a straight up 3.
Since, you know, other pros still cling to that 1 Vanity.

[玄魔の王]

If you're like me and you run DDD and RR or similar decks, Mistake and other floodgates ruin you, and the main is worth it. Otherwise, side is better.

[goodfusion]

I usually run 1 or 2 in most of my decks because more often than not your opponent will be using at least some spells/traps, for example the aforementioned Vanity's and Mistake. If not then I can always just discard them for Summoner Monk or something else.

[Blake]

It's just not as important a main anymore because of the vanity's limit, among other things. Which is part of why I feel Fiendish is better than it was before.

[~British Soul~]

I think I may keep 1 in the Main; just in case and then Side the rest. Most likely though all copies that I do decide to run will be sided (if at all).

[J-Max]

I usually run 1 or 2 in most of my decks because more often than not your opponent will be using at least some spells/traps, for example the aforementioned Vanity's and Mistake. If not then I can always just discard them for Summoner Monk or something else.

Agreed. Summoner Monk is excellent. Even if you don't have a use for MST then its food for Monk for a Special Summon then Xyz.

[Zeaux]

Was everyone maining 3 because of Vanity? I remember it being at 3 so many times before Vanity's was a staple, thats not a excuse to side it. Use a minimum of 2 in a deck that doesn't have other ways to deal with backrow, then if you still think you have room for another one, run 3.

[Blake]

Was everyone maining 3 because of Vanity? I remember it being at 3 so many times before Vanity's was a staple, thats not a excuse to side it. Use a minimum of 2 in a deck that doesn't have other ways to deal with backrow, then if you still think you have room for another one, run 3.

What the hell is this point?

 

You choose how many MST you use depending on the format and your deck. Most decks don't need or want MST right now, as there are few floodgates to warrant it, and the game has greatly changed from the "before Vanity's was a staple" that you meantion. There were a number of formats it was bad. It was only good in the main again because of Vanity's, and sometimes Qli.

 

It's not good right now because Qli and Vanity's both got hit. Yeah, it has a good chance to come back, but that doesn't mean it's going to right now.

[Krein]

I try to run 2 in any deck to get rid of any possible cards that could screw me over, and think that MST is a card that should still be run for that reason even if Vanity's is at 1 (why does this matter anyway, isn't backrow hate a good thing overall?).

[CLG Klavier]

(why does this matter anyway, isn't backrow hate a good thing overall?).

Because most backrow that's played now (Mirror Force, Fiendish Chain) is either single target or activates only in specific circumstances, that's why it can be actually outplayed. Skill Drain and Vanity you could flip at ANY moment and get value out of it, that's why everyone was scared of them and mained 3 MST. Now that they're hit, there's no such need since current backrow is more specific.

[Slinky]

Galaxy Cyclone is better for the main now anyway.

 

If you're running into floodgates, swap them with your MSTs. That simple.

[Zauls]

I pretty much always Main 0 Side 3. Firstly, if your deck outright loses to Skill Drain and Vanity's without MST, then its probably not a deck that's worth playing anyway. Most good decks have outs to these cards in the core, or at least there are tech options (eg. Nekroz playing Shaddoll Dragon). Secondly, most people Side their floodgates for specific match-ups (bah Vanity's and Skill Drain), so they will mostly be deadweight game 1. Also, as has already been pointed out, about 80% of the reasons for maining MST last format are now gone.

[Krein]

Because most backrow that's played now (Mirror Force, Fiendish Chain) is either single target or activates only in specific circumstances, that's why it can be actually outplayed. Skill Drain and Vanity you could flip at ANY moment and get value out of it, that's why everyone was scared of them and mained 3 MST. Now that they're hit, there's no such need since current backrow is more specific.

Those cards are still capable of setting you back though, even if they activate at specific times like you mentioned.

[CLG Klavier]

Those cards are still capable of setting you back though, even if they activate at specific times like you mentioned.

But they have very specific activation timings, that's why you can honestly dodge them. Also, they usually either target OR destroy, and you can exploit that. Stardust for example protects from Mirror Force etc. Vanity and Skill Drain neither targeted nor destroyed, so you had to get rid of THEM specifically, as opposed to using other resources to prevent their backrow from hurting you.

[Zeaux]

What the hell is this point?

 

You choose how many MST you use depending on the format and your deck. Most decks don't need or want MST right now, as there are few floodgates to warrant it, and the game has greatly changed from the "before Vanity's was a staple" that you meantion. There were a number of formats it was bad. It was only good in the main again because of Vanity's, and sometimes Qli.

 

It's not good right now because Qli and Vanity's both got hit. Yeah, it has a good chance to come back, but that doesn't mean it's going to right now.

 

Sure, because the chances of you facing a deck that is not Qli or main Vanity is pretty close to 0, right?

I do agree that you choose how many depending on your deck, but not format. EVERY format will have decks that rely on backrows, it is always been like that. Why maining 2 of those hurts the deck so much for you guys?

[CLG Klavier]

Because nowadays there is better stuff to put in I guess?

[Blake]

Sure, because the chances of you facing a deck that is not Qli or main Vanity is pretty close to 0, right?

I do agree that you choose how many depending on your deck, but not format. EVERY format will have decks that rely on backrows, it is always been like that. Why maining 2 of those hurts the deck so much for you guys?

Last format, that chance was 0.

 

No, every format will not realistically have decks that rely on backrow. Last one didn't.

 

Hell, this card is actually AWFUL agaisnt "backrow decks".

 

Unless your opponent plays into you/does something dumb like, say, set 3, summon Myrmeleo, search and set BTH, then MST sucks because what does it do to all that backrow? Unless they WANT you to do that, in which case... MST still isn't good.

 

So it's bad v. heavy backrow, because blind MST is bad, so the entirety of your argument falls flat.

 

and unlike last format, this format doesn't have cards that mst really matters against, bar fiendish... but still, not worth it.

[Maeriberii Haan]

In heavy backrow formats, Lance and Trap stun is generally better to combat those tbh.

[Expelsword]

I see way more decks maining Galaxy Cyclone than this, and that's not a good idea.

If they don't have a set card, unless you're discarding it somehow, you're not going to be able to do anything with it.