Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I wanted to put one of these up and it would be great if you guys could help, since having an idea of what deck is in which part of the tiers etc is really helpful for side-deck building and what-not for me and a couple others, its also nice to be able to refer back to it, so help is very much appreciated. I also have no idea where this topic should go. Meta List Tier 1 Nekroz Tier 2 Shaddoll Burning Abyss Qliphort Ritual Beasts Tellars ------- Volcanics Yosenju Fire Fist Yang Zing Tier 3 Ritual beast Infernoid (Masked) HEROs The Notable Rogue Six Samurai Ghostrick Ultimate Athlete Evilswarm Relinquished, Releaser of salt I know that i am probably missing some stuff here, this is just from what ive heard and seen and am possibly mixing some things up with the OCG but that's why i am asking for help. Im gonna try to update this quite often so it is accurate. It may not be 100% accurate as Meta Tiers are never really solid but they are pretty good in most circumstances. This is mainly gonna be helpful since Im never sure which is T2 and which is T1 so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 What about Satellarknights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Give me a few hours to get home and I'll edit this post to shos my opinion of tiers. Yang Zing are tier 2 btw edit: plus Qli are the second best deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 What about Satellarknights? Oh um, i THINK that they are Tier 2, but ive heard they have been pretty good so im unsure, i genuinely forgot about them :p Give me a few hours to get home and I'll edit this post to shos my opinion of tiers. Yang Zing are tier 2 btw edit: plus Qli are the second best deck Cool, i will change the OP accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 My personal opinion 1 ------ Nekroz Qliphort 2 ----- Shaddoll Tellars Fire Fist Yosenju Yang Zing Ritual Beast 3 ------- Sylvan Infernoid Six Samurai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 What about Volcanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 What about Volcanics? I can slap them in Tier 3. They dont see alot of play to be firmly evaluated imo. My personal opinion 1 ------ Nekroz Qliphort 2 ----- Shaddoll Tellars Fire Fist Yosenju Yang Zing Ritual Beast 3 ------- Sylvan Infernoid Six Samurai Ill keep shaddolls on Tier 1 for now, but ill add the other stuff. Six samurai is a bit Iffy. I might have a T4 called "The Notable Rogues". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Six Samurai are still super annoying if they manage to get out their S/T stoppers first turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Tier 1:NekrozTier 2:TellarDollQliBAEverything else is Tier 3 or lower imo. The only deck I'd argue is Tier 2 is potentially volcanic and even then it's not that fantastic of a deck anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Tier 1: Nekroz Tier 2: Tellar Doll Qli BA Everything else is Tier 3 or lower imo. The only deck I'd argue is Tier 2 is potentially volcanic and even then it's not that fantastic of a deck anyways. Due to the large amount of opinion having Shaddoll in Tier 2, it shall be moved down.I also feel like im being too generous by putting 4 things in the Notable Rogue. U.A is definitely one but idk about the rest right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Madolche is also pretty high up there due to Naturia Beast, making it Tier 3. Volcanics are tier 3, since Volcanics are inherently Anti-Meta with their dependence on traps and floodgates. HERO decks are also tier 2.5 due to Dark Law. Evilswarm is a solid 2.5 tier deck, but it succumbs to Nekroz and Qliphort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 2.5 will just be rounded to 3. Ill update it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Oh right, be sure to add Chicken Race FTK once Race comes to TCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Oh right, be sure to add Chicken Race FTK once Race comes to TCG. Not sure that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I don't really understand why we need a noteable rogue category at all tbh, the main thing to recognize is the top decks since I highly doubt you're EVER going to side to beat rogues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I don't really understand why we need a noteable rogue category at all tbh, the main thing to recognize is the top decks since I highly doubt you're EVER going to side to beat rogues. true, just there for people who want to play those decks and want a rough idea of how they will fair, no harm in it being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Really guys? How are shaddolls not the top deck. They were the top deck after getting hammer 3 times 'round here. You have TRIPLE construct.....and star seraphs...what could possibly be lacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Really guys? How are shaddolls not the top deck. They were the top deck after getting hammer 3 times 'round here. You have TRIPLE construct.....and star seraphs...what could possibly be lacking Completely different format. Over in the OCG, R4 decks are extremely popular, making the regular Shadoll Fusion live and potent significantly more often. Over in the TCG, ED monsters are not left on the field, they are used as either outs or play advancers/OTKs, most notably the second. The OCG also doesn't like to use floodgates, but we do, which is something that absolutely hurts their placement in the tiers. Yosenju especially, they can run nearly every floodgate in the entire game (except Djinn and Skill Drain, can't run those that easily), and not be largely affected by them. And if I recall, Atlantean Shaddoll is one of the best variants of Shaddolls in the OCG, and the TCG doesn't have Prince, so there is also that. TCG also doesn't have Noden yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Completely different format. Over in the OCG, R4 decks are extremely popular, making the regular Shadoll Fusion live and potent significantly more often. Over in the TCG, ED monsters are not left on the field, they are used as either outs or play advancers/OTKs, most notably the second. The OCG also doesn't like to use floodgates, but we do, which is something that absolutely hurts their placement in the tiers. Yosenju especially, they can run nearly every floodgate in the entire game (except Djinn and Skill Drain, can't run those that easily), and not be largely affected by them. And if I recall, Atlantean Shaddoll is one of the best variants of Shaddolls in the OCG, and the TCG doesn't have Prince, so there is also that. TCG also doesn't have Noden yet. Huhn, based on Prelim testing OCG sided, the Cir Dante loops seems to be how OCG BA will play, key word being Dante, I would think BA would leave their ED monsters out quite often. Qli's by nature of pendulum make Fusion alive, don't even get me started on shaddolls. Maybe not quite to the extent of OCG, but I'd figure ED monster do get left out This however is blatently false. Gozen Match Lose 1 Turn Skill Drain Soul Drain Macro Cosmos ...Dark...Fucking...Law Imperial Iron Wall need I go on. We don't really run Shadow imp mirror ever since Dolls died, but outside of that it's all live No. Merdolls were only good due to being able to chain El on Diva to avoid veiler and such. Outside of that, the pure build with say a sinister for water doll, and the envoys was the better deck. Now it's Train Dolls (which you guys don't have) or Trap Dolls (wont work in TCG) But Star Dolls back in their prime in OCG were a superior deck to OCG, I would expect them ATLEAST to be able to trounce a shit on version of Nekroz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Are these lists citing actually tournament results, or is this all just speculation? Here's the real breakdown so far: Tier 1: Nekroz Shaddoll Tier 2: Satellarknight Qliphort Burning Abyss Tier 3: HERO Infernoid Yosenju Tier 4/Rogue: Ritual Beast Blackwing Evilswarm Yang Zing Ghostrick Madolche Constellar Tier lists aren't all speculation. You guys really need to be citing some stats here:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qHokg1A3zlXnx5uk9bWE6POjxfMYkZLfPkDH5wbgNE8/edit#gid=0 http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1216978http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1220138 Qliphorts definitely are NOT tier 1 right now, and Shaddolls still have a leg above Satellars. And what are complete rogue decks doing in Tier 2? Also worth noting the huge gap between Nekroz and Shaddoll. The gap, right now, is 43% to 16% (209 tops to 80 tops). But, it's enough to elevate Shaddolls to Tier 1 by accepted standards. I have also yet to see Antlanteon Shaddolls show up in any OCG results. Right now, the strongest Shaddoll variant in OCGland is Train Shaddolls, as those have some tops. Also worth noting that the OCG has Skill Drain at 3 instead of 1 in the OCG world. ALSO worth noting that the ability to use floodgates isn't that much of a boon for an archetype when almost all of the strongest floodgates are at 1 each; it's like saying Raigeki and Dark Hole make a deck good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Atlantean Shaddolls saw play LAST format for a little due to dodging effect negation. KoJ put an end to that by limiting El....that s*** is gone gone gone Why aren't you sillies using Sinister Serpent. Card can bypass Djinn unlike Treeborn and locks out Neks and Tellars.....idgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 VCR Cat is not looking at the latest and most relevant tournament, Columbus, or he would not say Shaddoll are tier 1. Really guys? How are shaddolls not the top deck. They were the top deck after getting hammer 3 times 'round here. You have TRIPLE construct.....and star seraphs...what could possibly be lacking Qli have so many floodgates that it's difficult to win although it is a relatively good list, every other deck can make Diamond with Ptolemaeus now which is really bad news and the deck still has a tendency to brick. Anyway here's a real tier list based on a combination of relevant events and my observations of how decks match up/ Tier 1 Nekroz - best deck Tier 1.5 (good decks that have the best chances of beating Nekroz and between themselves have decks they have good and bad matchups against) Qli - probably second best deck, has by far the best chance of beating Nekroz outside of Nekroz itself, also has good Tellar and Ritual Beast matchups. Can beat any deck with enough floodgates B.A. - Galaxy Cyclone makes this deck soo much better, has a ridiculously good Qli matchup and decent against everything else bar Shaddoll which it loses to most of the time. Tellarknights - pretty bad Nekroz and Qli matchups but v. good against everything else. Can beat Nekroz if they get enough floodgates, but Qli are hard to beat. Shaddoll - CROS was unkind to it, Diamond from every deck hurts but it still has a great B.A. matchup and decent Nekroz/Qli matchups. Ritual Beasts - CROS support is really good, Gaiapelio being a psychic makes Rampengu much much better (apparently), can win any matchup if its opening hand is good enough (Elder Cannahawk, basically) Tier 2 (have a chance of beating top decks, but generally lose) Yang Zing Volcanics HEROes Infernoids Yosenju Everything else is irrelevant, obviously there are better decks and worse decks below tier 2, the pick of the bunch seem to be Fire Fist, U.A., Evilswarm and Samurai along with some other random stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 VCR Cat is not looking at the latest and most relevant tournament, Columbus, or he would not say Shaddoll are tier 1. Qli have so many floodgates that it's difficult to win although it is a relatively good list, every other deck can make Diamond with Ptolemaeus now which is really bad news and the deck still has a tendency to brick. Anyway here's a real tier list based on a combination of relevant events and my observations of how decks match up/ Tier 1 Nekroz - best deck Tier 1.5 (good decks that have the best chances of beating Nekroz and between themselves have decks they have good and bad matchups against) Qli - probably second best deck, has by far the best chance of beating Nekroz outside of Nekroz itself, also has good Tellar and Ritual Beast matchups. Can beat any deck with enough floodgates B.A. - Galaxy Cyclone makes this deck soo much better, has a ridiculously good Qli matchup and decent against everything else bar Shaddoll which it loses to most of the time. Tellarknights - pretty bad Nekroz and Qli matchups but v. good against everything else. Can beat Nekroz if they get enough floodgates, but Qli are hard to beat. Shaddoll - CROS was unkind to it, Diamond from every deck hurts but it still has a great B.A. matchup and decent Nekroz/Qli matchups. Ritual Beasts - CROS support is really good, Gaiapelio being a psychic makes Rampengu much much better (apparently), can win any matchup if its opening hand is good enough (Elder Cannahawk, basically) Tier 2 (have a chance of beating top decks, but generally lose) Yang Zing Volcanics HEROes Infernoids Yosenju Everything else is irrelevant, obviously there are better decks and worse decks below tier 2, the pick of the bunch seem to be Fire Fist, U.A., Evilswarm and Samurai along with some other random stuff. Will use this to update the current list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Fully updated. (I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Okay, looking up the Columbus results, I'm gonna crunch this data into the table so that it's more up to date. The information I'm finding is that nobody has a top 16, and it's either a top 4 or a top 32. I'll be going with the Top 32, but if I could get a Top 16 that would be a little more reliable. I dun goofed! I'm still going by this spreadsheet as it is currently completely up to date and takes YCS Columbus into account https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qHokg1A3zlXnx5uk9bWE6POjxfMYkZLfPkDH5wbgNE8/edit#gid=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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