Pot of Greed [Errata]

[DuelSpectre]

How about this?

 

Draw 1 card. During your next Standby Phase: Draw 1 card, and if you do, discard 2 cards (or your entire hand, if less than 2). You cannot Special Summon monsters from your Extra Deck the turn you activate this card.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So you're making this card having the same relationship with Shard of Greed that Gold Sarcophagus and Different Dimension Capsule have?

Exactly, one is limited the other is not

[Mysty]

How I envision a Pot of Greed errata going, due to anime:

Pay 4000 LP; draw two cards. You can only use 1 "Pot of Greed" per duel. You can't Special Summon monsters from the hand or Extra Deck during the turn you use this card.

Or something like that.
Possible erratas include:

• [any number of things that move the card to less than a +1 card advantage]
• the less horrible version of Shard of Greed. (Might need to go to 3 standby phases to prevent being almost strictly better).

I'm against power errata essentially on principle, so I'd rather not see Pot of Greed errata'd and unbanned.

[BlackBeartic]

How about this?

 

Draw 1 card. During your next Standby Phase: Draw 1 card, and if you do, discard 2 cards (or your entire hand, if less than 2). You cannot Special Summon monsters from your Extra Deck the turn you activate this card.

no

[evilfusion]

no

 

If you're going to bother posting in the topic at all, at least say something more than just "no". Otherwise, it's just spam.

[Medivh]

Functional Errata is really dumb. It should never be used, imo. If you really want a card that's like Pot of Greed, but balanced, just make a new card. Don't try and balance a broken card by changing what the card does.

 

That being said, would something along the line of "Your opponent can draw 1 card, then you draw 2 cards. You cannot Special Summon monsters or activate other Spell or Trap cards the turn you activate this card." be too good?

[SANDAA BORUTO]

So it's Reckless Greed backwards, without skipping your Draw Phase. I don't know about you guys, but I'd run it in a few Decks. Will never be the iconic staple it once was, but some Decks could make use of it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So it's Reckless Greed backwards, without skipping your Draw Phase. I don't know about you guys, but I'd run it in a few Decks. Will never be the iconic staple it once was, but some Decks could make use of it.

That's the point. I can Infernity running it since it can clean out the hand count at a vital time and pay you back later for it

[werewolfjedi]

if we must play the correct this card game on pot. then make it simple.

draw 1 card.

if this card is in the graveyard, you may remove it from play; draw 1 card

you may only activate any effect of pot of greed once per turn

 

there. simple +2, spread out so it doesn't create too much advantage, and made un-loopable by a named once per turn limit.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

if we must play the correct this card game on pot. then make it simple.

draw 1 card.

if this card is in the graveyard, you may remove it from play; draw 1 card

you may only activate any effect of pot of greed once per turn

 

there. simple +2, spread out so it doesn't create too much advantage, and made un-loopable by a named once per turn limit.

There is no downside to playing it. It's upstart but better

[- Minimania -]

if we must play the correct this card game on pot. then make it simple.
draw 1 card.
if this card is in the graveyard, you may remove it from play; draw 1 card
you may only activate any effect of pot of greed once per turn
 
there. simple +2, spread out so it doesn't create too much advantage, and made un-loopable by a named once per turn limit.

because Lightsworns couldn't handle being without Drulers, apparently.

[werewolfjedi]

There is no downside to playing it. It's upstart but better

exactly the problem with trying to fix the generic draw 2 card.

 

you can't really

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

exactly the problem with trying to fix the generic draw 2 card.
 
you can't really

My errata no longer makes it a staple

[CLG Klavier]

My errata no longer makes it a staple

Why? Still a +1.

[Resident Fascist]

Honestly I'm personally of the belief that bastardizing a card that has created such a legacy for itself just to make it legal again is not something we should be doing. I think erratum in general is a bad idea outside of rules clarification and such. Funnily enough many years ago I would personally be in the camp of saying erratum is good for the game, but now I have had the chance to experience it for myself, the rules complication that surrounds cards that have been given a significant errata is unreal, especially when concerning old prints of classic cards like Ring of Destruction.

 

 If we are to make a fixed version of this card, make it an entirely new card, much like Konami have been doing for many years. The original will live it's legacy, much like Black Lotus in Magic, it's referenced many a time, but the card should not be altered to damage that legacy.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Why? Still a +1.

You have to wait 2 turns to get said +1 ya feel? Basically you have to endure a -1 for two turns.

 

Let say you open the LT Errata PoG and go first

 

So 5 cards -> 4 Cards

 

your opponent opens 6 cards, relatively speaking, your opponent opened with the old pot of greed 

 

 

Honestly I'm personally of the belief that bastardizing a card that has created such a legacy for itself just to make it legal again is not something we should be doing. I think erratum in general is a bad idea outside of rules clarification and such. Funnily enough many years ago I would personally be in the camp of saying erratum is good for the game, but now I have had the chance to experience it for myself, the rules complication that surrounds cards that have been given a significant errata is unreal, especially when concerning old prints of classic cards like Ring of Destruction.

 

 If we are to make a fixed version of this card, make it an entirely new card, much like Konami have been doing for many years. The original will live it's legacy, much like Black Lotus in Magic, it's referenced many a time, but the card should not be altered to damage that legacy.

 

As a Vintage player, I take offense to this statement. Do not compare YGO to MTG. YGO has done a piss poor job of giving any thought to Traditional. Hell they could have turned the OCG and TCG banlists into  YGO's standard and modern but they jacked that up too by creating regions. YGO has to errata since they already fucked up facilitating multiple formats

[The Warden]

I completely agree with Shard's sentiment. Some cards simply just shouldn't be touched under the veiled excuse of "making them playable". There's a reason cards are on the list, and trying to "fix" them by making them game friendly really isn't all that practical. Some can be fixed, and by doing so they can be welcomed back into the game with open arms, like Ring of Destruction. But there is simply no sense trying to bastardize some cards to make them "child friendly". Some cards can't be "fixed", and some cards shouldn't be "fixed". Pot of Greed is one of those are cards as it is the iconic draw card that somehow required a once per episode explanation of a sentence consisting of three words. How many cards are on the list is simply irrelevant. I wouldn't care if there were 200 cards on it, because they're just 200 fuck-ups.

 

Pot of Greed already has his children: Pot of Duality and Shard of Greed. We don't need to try and fix Pot when his children are already doing a fine enough job already, as well as his step-son Upstart Goblin.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I completely agree with Shard's sentiment. Some cards simply just shouldn't be touched under the veiled excuse of "making them playable". There's a reason cards are on the list, and trying to "fix" them by making them game friendly really isn't all that practical. Some can be fixed, and by doing so they can be welcomed back into the game with open arms, like Ring of Destruction. But there is simply no sense trying to bastardize some cards to make them "child friendly". Some cards can't be "fixed", and some cards shouldn't be "fixed". Pot of Greed is one of those are card it is the iconic draw card that somehow required a once per episode explanation of a sentence consisting of three words. How many cards are on the list is simply irrelevant. I wouldn't care if there were 200 cards on it, because they're just 200 f***-ups.

 

Pot of Greed already has his children: Pot of Dichotomy and Shard of Greed. We don't need to try and fix Pot when his children are already doing a fine enough job already, as well as his step-son Upstart Goblin.

What fine job? When's the last time anybody or their mothers ran Shard of Greed? You guys went and banned the only half decent version of PoG too.....like Jesus...CED was the father of the banlist, they errated him, what makes you think any cared except maybe Yata (which is honestly really easy to fix) would merit that much "untouchability" 

[J-Max]

I agree about not trying to fix cards that are broken beyond belief. I tried to fix Painful Choices while back lol. If I was to throw my idea into the ring however, it would be this.

Draw 2 Cards. Your opponent can Draw 1 Card. You cannot add cards to your hand from a Card Effect until your next Turn.

You get 2, your opponent gets a +1 and you cannot add anything to your hand until your next turn, Best I can come up with

[The Warden]

Because as your half a million errata threads have shown, not all cards can be fixed. Future Fusion is one that shouldn't be touched on the merit that by tweaking it, you ether do nothing and it's still borked, or it's shit. I'm sure you might have noticed that some people don't think that errata'ing and releasing Chaos Emp was a good idea. I can't speak for everyone, but I personally think it was a stupid idea. They slapped on a half-assed restriction and thought that would be enough to make him balanced. CED MIGHT have been errata'd and MIGHT have come back to 1 in the OCG, but just because it happened doesn't make it a terribly bright idea. In truth all they did was bring him out for a comeback tour because, really, they didn't even errata him, when you think about it. They just made a change that had no difference. A phrase comes to mind here: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Just because cards can be errata'd, doesn't mean they should be. Some cards can be saved, but the vast majority on the banlist are there for a very good reason, and should remain there.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Because as your half a million errata threads have shown, not all cards can be fixed. Future Fusion is one that shouldn't be touched on the merit that by tweaking it, you ether do nothing and it's still borked, or it's s***. I'm sure you might have noticed that some people don't think that errata'ing and releasing Chaos Emp was a good idea. I can't speak for everyone, but I personally think it was a stupid idea. They slapped on a half-assed restriction and thought that would be enough to make him balanced. CED MIGHT have been errata'd and MIGHT have come back to 1 in the OCG, but just because it happened doesn't make it a terribly bright idea. In truth all they did was bring him out for a comeback tour because, really, they didn't even errata him, when you think about it. They just made a change that had no difference. A phrase comes to mind here: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Just because cards can be errata'd, doesn't mean they should be. Some cards can be saved, but the vast majority on the banlist are there for a very good reason, and should remain there.

Comeback tour is over mate. Card is fairly neat at one, doesn't do jack shit. I never once said CED was healthy for TCG due the simple fact that he is a late game finisher in OCG. You let your pulsars, your burning abyss, your shaddolls take the brunt of the traps, and you seal the grave with a CED once you wear down the backrow. TCG does not have enough backrow to justify CED, and until it does, I recommend and errata to fix traditional, but not one to unban the card.

 

Lets look at my "half million threads"

 

Future Fusion - we got one actually, you mill at the same time you summon the fusion. Ever wonder why Ravine and Shrine @1 didn't make Rulers Tier 0 like half of TCG whined about with Ravine existing with the rulers? Cause fucking Field spells and cont spells don't last two turns. Castel, MST, Duster, IDK, a lot of cards

 

Blaster- Y'all where whining about me overhitting the card with the second restriction, no real argument against it 

 

Spellbook of Judgment - People literally admitted the card could keep Spellbooks going and but yet not make it tier 0. Jesus what more do you people want. That's what erratas are for. Make a deck decent. Don't break it.

 

Broken I understand if you don't like the idea of erratas, but Konomi and a large portion of the population loves it (Duelist Road with the January 6 sold out in less than 2 weeks)...deal with it

[The Warden]

Big assumption there pookie. I do like erratas when they're needed for the sake of clarity, or if they bring a card down to a workable level. But there are just some things you simply do not touch because they can't be fixed, or they shouldn't be fixed. Icons are iconic for a reason, because they set the standard. Pot of Greed has already be errata'd anyways, it's called Pot of Duality.

 

Not everything needs to be changed. There is simply no call for it. It's not about being stuck in the past, it's more about that fact that they don't need the errata. It's not required when the game can progress quite happily without them.

[Resident Fascist]

What fine job? When's the last time anybody or their mothers ran Shard of Greed? You guys went and banned the only half decent version of PoG too.....like Jesus...CED was the father of the banlist, they errated him, what makes you think any cared except maybe Yata (which is honestly really easy to fix) would merit that much "untouchability" 

 

Avarice was probably better than Pot of Greed at the time of it's ban. So I mean.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

This isn't some ethics thread on whether or not cards should be errata'd. Yes, it is a shitty idea. It is already happening, so suck it up and don't blame it on him.

[ihop]

6 cards were errata'd, 2 of which would have had a realistic chance of coming back anyway and 2 of which were only banned because of unfair combinations in a small number of cases. It's not safe to assume that they're going to errata everything.