Spinny Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 CoSR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 CoSR? Cards of Safe Return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Cards of Safe Return Oh ty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I used to play Traditional quite a long time ago, and my friend played traditional until Exchange got errata'd. (Guess what deck he used.) I don't care much of playing this game too much outside of a small locals with "old" decks, so I won't even think about what deck I'd play.  I'm used to MtG and some philosophies of Vintage format (MtG's equivalent idea to yugioh traditional), so bear with me. For traditional, I think the only change being "everything banned becomes limited" is lazy; it's like Konami doesn't even care about the format and ignored the differences the "banned" cards would make. The banlist should take into account that the banned cards are back into the format. That might not require a lot of changes, but I cannot believe that it would be fine with no changes. I don't know anything about Traditional meta, so I'll just use an example for OCG: Heavy Storm is banned in OCG instead of HFD because (IIRC) Heavy lets Qliphorts pull off double shock masters while HFD doesn't. But in traditional, Heavy Storm is back, so Qliphorts can do that again. To rectify this, the OCG could limit Shock Master in Traditional (to prevent double shock abuse) while keeping it at 3 in Advanced (where double shock isn't abused). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 For traditional, I think the only change being "everything banned becomes limited" is lazy; it's like Konami doesn't even care about the format and ignored the differences the "banned" cards would make.  You are correct in saying this IMO; Advanced is the only format they've really cared about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Excuse Konami they care for a format they have all their tournaments in? Traditional doesn't get a lot of attention, and trust me, there being yet anothet banlist would be annoying. Look at MTG's 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 are we using broken ced and dmoc effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I sure as hell am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I sure as hell am. Ruins the format. I dislike Yata Lock working :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Ruins the format. I dislike Yata Lock working :/  Yata lock, and similar decks, really aren't as effective as one would think they would be. Though yes, there is access to such ridiculous power cards, a large decider in what is most powerful in TCG traditional instead becomes what can most effectively make use of all the broken cards and effects provided, leaning much more heavily toward the grave-based strategies of decks such as Infernoids, or Dragon Rulers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 CED isn't my biggest problem. Honestly, if there's one card that should be banned if anything it's Pot of Greed, since it is always without fail better than literally every other card because it gives access to 2 other cards. There's no skill in playing Pot of Greed, it's simply a matter of the first person to draw Pot of Greed is at a massive advantage because, no questions asked, they have 1 more card than the opponent. Every other card has some downside and is reliant on some other factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah, PoG is one card that just is a bit too disgusting, rest isn't that obviously powerful. And Yata Lock sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Playing with non errata ced is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Playing with non errata ced is stupid. I believe DN has the errata'd version anyways. Â Now do you have something more productive to say possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I believe DN has the errata'd version anyways.  Now do you have something more productive to say possibly? Yes. Unerrat'ed CED will break dragon rulers if  you build the deck correctly since you can nuke then easily put the remaining damage on field. I've been banned from DN for an age and half, so I don't know what errata's they have or not. Its not healthy is all I can say. But your rules, dig your own pit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yes. Unerrat'ed CED will break dragon rulers if  you build the deck correctly since you can nuke then easily put the remaining damage on field. I've been banned from DN for an age and half, so I don't know what errata's they have or not. Its not healthy is all I can say. But your rules, dig your own pit It's not my rules, it's Konami's rules. Sure, we heard you. Now please move off from this topic since there's not much more to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Staple: Effect Veiler Maxx "C" Confiscation Giant Trunada Graceful Charity Harpie's Feather Duster Heavy Storm Monster Reborn Pot of Greed Raigeki Snatch Steal The Forceful Sentry  Usually good: Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End Droll & Lock Bird Magical Scientist Number 16: Shock Master Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier Cards of Safe Return Delinquent Duo Premature Burial Imperial Order Royal Oppression Trap Dustshoot Vanity's Emptiness  Situationally good: Artifact Lancea Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier Cyber-Stein D.D. Crow Makyura the Destructor Skull Meister Thousand-Eyes Restrict Tribe-Infecting Virus Brain Control Card Destruction Change of Heart Cold Wave Dimension Fusion Future Fusion Last Will Mirage of Nightmare Mystical Space Typhoon Painful Choice Pot of Avarice Super Polymerization Super Rejuvenation Mistake Return from the Different Dimension Sixth Sense Skill Drain Solemn Judgment Ultimate Offering  Decktype specific: Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos Dark Magician of Chaos Elemental HERO Stratos Fishborg Blaster Mind Master Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders Rescue Cat Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity Gateway of the Six Spellbook of Judgment  Bad: Cyber Jar Fiber Jar Morphing Jar Morphing Jar #2 Victory Dragon Butterfly Dagger - Elma Mass Driver Last Turn Self-Destruct Button  ???: Destiny HERO - Disk Commander Sangan Substitoad Witch of the Black Forest Yata-Garasu Metamorphosis Time Seal  Staples: Cards you will most likely have in every single of your deck. Best cards on the list. Usually good: Basically a secondary round of staples. You will most likely run them often due to how generic they are, but some decks might exclude them. Situationally good: Cards that aren't really bad but are a bit worse than other possibilities or can be put just into a few specific lists. Decktype specific: Archetype-only or very narrow cards that will work only when built around. Bad: Too inconsistent and/or gimmicky to bother with. ???: Cards I can't put a finger on. They all look subpar, but I don't wanna cross them out so soon since they have potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 >sangan >looks subpar I'm missing something, aren't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 It's genuinely too slow. There are just way better things to Normal Summon/Reborn/whatever really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 It's genuinely too slow. There are just way better things to Normal Summon/Reborn/whatever really. But that good search though. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Substitoad should definitely be put in 'situationally good'. The card basically single handedly won 2010 worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 How the hell is Monster Reborn a staple? Half the decks in OCG don't even run it and Traditional is so much faster than OCG   and then we have this  Situationally good: Fishborg Blaster Rescue Cat Last Will Dimension Fusion Future Fusion   Did first turn Quasar+Sifr suddenly become bad?  Maybe Situation is the wrong word, "Deck Dependent" is more accurate IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Maybe Situation is the wrong word, "Deck Dependent" is more accurate IMO Situationally good: Cards confined to their own archetypes or ones you gotta build a deck around to make most use of. Â Reading is tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Situationally good: Cards confined to their own archetypes or ones you gotta build a deck around to make most use of.  Reading is tech. Ya got me. Could you explain reborn to me tho. That honestly has me baffled. The card is honestly a slow 1 for 1 these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Xyz/Synchro plays? This is a format where everyone runs maindeck Veiler, so if anything, reviving a Veiler to make Trish. It procs CoSR. It gets back Scientist. I really don't see how it would be mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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