Resident Fascist Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Because loops. I always liked Zombies, glad to see they're getting some attention again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 inb4 hard OPT clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Mezuki to 0 actually makes the loop unusable I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 But why put a card that's fine at 3 to 0 just to stop a very mediocre loop? If anything, ban Lavalval Chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 But why put a card that's fine at 3 to 0 just to stop a very mediocre loop? If anything, ban Lavalval Chain.Banning Lavalval is the optimal answer, but I think they'd Limit it ahead of straight to banned. Oni here comes off as hilarious in retrospect because it makes it seem like nobody anticipated how big Xyz would become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Limiting Lavalval Chain works too, most of the really unfair combos with it require multiples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Limiting Lavalval Chain works too, most of the really unfair combos with it require multiples. Plus hurting Infernity is always fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 well hitting any of the combo pieces in any way will kill the combo. Kinda doubt they'd hit anything tbh however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Why would they hit a combo that never had any competitive impact and most likely never will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Why would they hit a combo that never had any competitive impact and most likely never will? Someone top 32'd a Nats with this so it's something I guess. Though even if it doesn't have a competitive impact, wouldn't be the first time something like this got hit just for the sake of hitting loops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Someone top 32'd a Nats with this so it's something I guess. Though even if it doesn't have a competitive impact, wouldn't be the first time something like this got hit just for the sake of hitting loops.Someone went X-0 with Volcanics at YCS after Reload got released iirc and no one wants Volcanics to be hit, soooo. But yeah, I agree, they have a tendency of hitting loops for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Why would they hit a combo that never had any competitive impact and most likely never will?Lavalval Chain is and always has been a problem card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Can I just mention that any nats that isn't US, UK, Italy or Germany isn't really worth taking anything from since it's basically a regional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Lavalval Chain is and always has been a problem card.Yeah, but what problems did it actually cause since Infernities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Can I just mention that any nats that isn't US, UK, Italy or Germany isn't really worth taking anything from since it's basically a regional. Well of course. They're too small to matter in the big picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yeah, but what problems did it actually cause since Infernities? Djinn lock, Spell cancellering Nekroz out of the game, OTKing Nekroz in the mirror by stacking GK commandant, some clownblade antics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yeah, but what problems did it actually cause since Infernities?I predict Clownblade shenanigans incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Djinn lock, Spell cancellering Nekroz out of the game, OTKing Nekroz in the mirror by stacking GK commandant, some clownblade antics.>Nekroz>Nekroz>Nekroz Um, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Djinn lock, Spell cancellering Nekroz out of the game, OTKing Nekroz in the mirror by stacking GK commandant, some clownblade antics.I predict Clownblade shenanigans incoming.It makes getting perfectly set up in Clownblade stupidly easy @2. If you found either a Blades or a Clown and a second R4 to summon, you can instantly just be set up for the rest of the game, and use the second one (Detaching blades) to dump/stack a Seraph or dump a Damajuggler. You're completely ready to float and explode, and you have your combo pieces in place for either immediate gratification or the turn after. Without Lavalval Chain (esp. without 2 Lavalval Chain), the deck doesn't do nearly as much unfair things, as the consistency it has to do such is greatly diminished, and it would mean running suboptimal cards like Mathman in order to get going properly. There's also the general fact that Armageddons/Mathmen are just really strong cards, and chain is one of those with upsides on demand and opt per copy. Keeping a chain(s) alive for a turn is a game winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 >Nekroz>Nekroz>Nekroz Um, yeah.Just because it's Nekroz now doesn't mean it won't be something else after. Especially with Konami's R4 fetish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Just because it's Nekroz now doesn't mean it won't be something else after. Especially with Konami's R4 fetish.So ban it when it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 So ban it when it does. But it does now... Just because it's in the top deck doesn't mean it's not problematic, are you waiting for a sheet deck to become good because of Chain to hit it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 But it does now... Just because it's in the top deck doesn't mean it's not problematic, are you waiting for a sheet deck to become good because of Chain to hit it?Yes. I see no reason in banning a card that's not threatening at the moment. If we go by "what ifs", we should ban half of the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yes. I see no reason in banning a card that's not threatening at the moment. If we go by "what ifs", we should ban half of the cards. Except ihop already explained exactly why it's currently a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 But it clearly is threatening. Nekroz are at threat of autolosing because of this card, they are constantly at threat of being OTKed because of this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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