Yata-Garasu

[Astolfo]

What's the point of this card existing, it literally only exists to try and make a lock?

Why is there any need for this card to come back, whether or not it'd be relevant, whether or not it's actually useful, blah blah blah?

Sure, stun decks and a few other weird variants might benefit, but if they're relying on Yata to do a lock in the first place, those decks probably shouldn't exist.

 

Lock decks that completely close the game like this are stupid and remove interactivity from the game that's, you know, meant to be played with two people.

So sure, Yata could perhaps come back without too much damage, but there's no good reason to bring it back, since it'd just encourage more decks to be stupid and figure out some way to abuse it and turn it into a lock again (although not on CED scale).

 

TL;DR - No Yata please

[evilfusion]

Why does this topic seem so borderline hostile?

 

Here's the problem with Yata. Ignoring for now all the stupid stuff it did back in the day with Chaos Emperor, Sangan, etc.

 

Cards that skip your opponent's Draw Phase are ridiculously powerful. Time Seal is still banned because you can loop it with Mask of Darkness and such to skip the Draw Phase forever, and it being chainable also means it's difficult to have answers to it. It doesn't matter if the card isn't going to have much impact: Being able to continuously lock out the Draw Phase with no real extra conditions can win games.

 

Yata's weakness is its greatest strength. It bounces itself. You can't really do anything about it during your turn other than place a monster on the Field so it can't hit you directly next turn. If you don't have a way to protect yourself or get rid of Yata during the opponent's turn, you essentially lose. If you only have removal Spells in your hand like Dark Hole, or just other cards you can't use at that moment, you will lose. Because you'll never get another Draw Phase. And you need Draws to have answers to a threat. Even one loss of a Draw Phase can be crippling to your chances of winning a Duel, and your opponent will still be able to draw cards, giving them MORE options to kill you or prevent you from having outs if they forego Summoning Yata next turn to make a more damaging play.

 

Cards that skip Draw Phases that don't get banned tend to require more than just using it. Fenrir is a 1400 monster that needs to banish WATER monsters to Summon and needs to kill a monster in battle. Eventually, you won't have monsters to kill, and Fenrir won't skip the Draw Phase. Fenrir is not self-sustaining in its Draw Phase skipping. Yata is, because all it has to do is deal damage, which it can always do so long as the opponent has no monsters. Time Seal is not self-sustaining, but it's chainable and easy to use. No real effort is needed for Time Seal, and it can be recycled.

 

I feel Yata is THE card that should never be unbanned ever. Just because of the implications of its effect - a permanent lockdown of a fundamental resource in order to play the game at all: Draws. Without draws, you can't do ANYTHING other than what you already have.

 

 

 

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

What's the point of this card existing, it literally only exists to try and make a lock?

Why is there any need for this card to come back, whether or not it'd be relevant, whether or not it's actually useful, blah blah blah?

Sure, stun decks and a few other weird variants might benefit, but if they're relying on Yata to do a lock in the first place, those decks probably shouldn't exist.

 

Lock decks that completely close the game like this are stupid and remove interactivity from the game that's, you know, meant to be played with two people.

So sure, Yata could perhaps come back without too much damage, but there's no good reason to bring it back, since it'd just encourage more decks to be stupid and figure out some way to abuse it and turn it into a lock again (although not on CED scale).

 

TL;DR - No Yata please

Yata can't lock any more than time seal can in the current day.

 

What it will do is buy stun decks some time. I personally hate stun decks with a passion, but I cannot deny that having a few of them in the game is healthy.

 

" just encourage more decks to be stupid and figure out some way to abuse it and turn it into a lock again "

 

This again? People said the same damn thing about Trishula and Stein. Do you see Trishula looping? Even in Six Sams which CAN do it with gateway? No. Do you see Stein turbo? Brain Research is even searchable?...let me think....no....MAYBE yata lock tops some 3 person circle jerk down in a damp basement. Will it be winning YCS and YOT's? Hell funking no

[Astolfo]

Yata is literally "Let me try and make it so you can't play the game."

Why on earth would it be a good idea to ever let a card like that, you know, back into said game?

 

@TEW: Stun decks are stupid, and the only reason a stun deck would use Yata is to try and lock and prevent the other person from playing the game.

There's no good point to ever letting a card like that exist, even if said card is crappy in today's standards.

Stun decks and all the other decks which are the "screw you, you can't play" decks of YGO don't need to/shouldn't exist.

 

On your point of Trishula, sure, it didn't loop.

It was also broken enough that it got banned.

#FoodForThought

 

Stein is "let me just summon Five Headed Dragon"

Yeah, no.

[mido9]

Yata can't lock any more than time seal can in the current day.

I think this was the part that convinced me it's not completely broken now. Or in this meta at least.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Yata is literally "Let me try and make it so you can't play the game."

Why on earth would it be a good idea to ever let a card like that, you know, back into said game?

Define Stun for me then? I guess we should start banning cards like Naturia Beast next since it literally says dun play spells.....

 

 

Why does this topic seem so borderline hostile?

 

Here's the problem with Yata. Ignoring for now all the stupid stuff it did back in the day with Chaos Emperor, Sangan, etc.

 

Cards that skip your opponent's Draw Phase are ridiculously powerful. Time Seal is still banned because you can loop it with Mask of Darkness and such to skip the Draw Phase forever, and it being chainable also means it's difficult to have answers to it. It doesn't matter if the card isn't going to have much impact: Being able to continuously lock out the Draw Phase with no real extra conditions can win games.

 

Yata's weakness is its greatest strength. It bounces itself. You can't really do anything about it during your turn other than place a monster on the Field so it can't hit you directly next turn. If you don't have a way to protect yourself or get rid of Yata during the opponent's turn, you essentially lose. If you only have removal Spells in your hand like Dark Hole, or just other cards you can't use at that moment, you will lose. Because you'll never get another Draw Phase. And you need Draws to have answers to a threat. Even one loss of a Draw Phase can be crippling to your chances of winning a Duel, and your opponent will still be able to draw cards, giving them MORE options to kill you or prevent you from having outs if they forego Summoning Yata next turn to make a more damaging play.

 

Cards that skip Draw Phases that don't get banned tend to require more than just using it. Fenrir is a 1400 monster that needs to banish WATER monsters to Summon and needs to kill a monster in battle. Eventually, you won't have monsters to kill, and Fenrir won't skip the Draw Phase. Fenrir is not self-sustaining in its Draw Phase skipping. Yata is, because all it has to do is deal damage, which it can always do so long as the opponent has no monsters. Time Seal is not self-sustaining, but it's chainable and easy to use. No real effort is needed for Time Seal, and it can be recycled.

 

I feel Yata is THE card that should never be unbanned ever. Just because of the implications of its effect - a permanent lockdown of a fundamental resource in order to play the game at all: Draws. Without draws, you can't do ANYTHING other than what you already have.

 

I mean doesn't Yosenju literally do the same damn thing? And it's self sustaining in many more ways than a limited Yata would be. You peck for 900, cock block with your herem of floodgates, and set dem infernity barriars.

 

That's what stun does mate.

 

@TEW: Stun decks are stupid, and the only reason a stun deck would use Yata is to try and lock and prevent the other person from playing the game.

There's no good point to ever letting a card like that exist, even if said card is crappy in today's standards.

Stun decks and all the other decks which are the "screw you, you can't play" decks of YGO don't need to/shouldn't exist.

 

On your point of Trishula, sure, it didn't loop.

It was also broken enough that it got banned.

#FoodForThought

 

Stein is "let me just summon Five Headed Dragon"

Yeah, no.

 

1) Trishula has been nearly legal in OCG for 2 years now? Six Sams have Gateway. Infernity and WU have 2 dewloren. Why is Tainted wisdom the only mofo who ever loops trishula? Cause it's cute on paper and sheet IRL

 

2) Five Head is nomi

3) Stein Con is getting Exterio and Last warrior both out and "locking the game" all the cards you need to do it are either @3 or @3 and searchable

 

never happened. Ever

[Expelsword]

Time Seal is a Trap Card that goes to the Graveyard when it is used.

Yata Garasu is a monster that returns to your hand.

 

One of these is much easier to reuse than the other.

[Astolfo]

Define Stun for me then? I guess we should start banning cards like Naturia Beast next since it literally says dun play spells..... Except Naturia Beast you know, is only usable in the first place in a few decks, and that's not usually the main wincon of a deck, it's just another thing for it. It's not like practically any deck could tech it in.

 

I mean doesn't Yosenju literally do the same damn thing? And it's self sustaining in many more ways than a limited Yata would be. You peck for 900, cock block with your herem of floodgates, and set dem infernity barriars. Yosenjus are fine, except they abuse floodgates like candy, which is also sort of revolting, to be honest. The other thing though, is that any backrow removal or prevention of the actual Yosenju monsters sort of ruins their deck.

 

That's what stun does mate. Which is not healthy for the game, so yeah, no.

 

On the note of Trishula, it got banned in TCG, and it got hit because it was broken, looping ability was irrelevant.

 

Oops, mixed up stuff, but yes, Stein isn't needed for the game either, since all it does is just find another way to break the game and make the other person unable to play.

So no.

Time Seal is a Trap Card that goes to the Graveyard when it is used.

Yata Garasu is a monster that returns to your hand.

 

One of these is much easier to reuse than the other.

Or just Mask of Darkness the Time Seal.

But yes, Yata is essentially unlimited usability unless they either get rid of it when you Summon/attack (Solemn/Mirror Force/etc) or use something like Mind Crush to make it force discard from your hand.

Otherwise, you're sort of screwed over, advantage-wise.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Define Stun for me then? I guess we should start banning cards like Naturia Beast next since it literally says dun play spells..... Except Naturia Beast you know, is only usable in the first place in a few decks, and that's not usually the main wincon of a deck, it's just another thing for it. It's not like practically any deck could tech it in.

 

I mean doesn't Yosenju literally do the same damn thing? And it's self sustaining in many more ways than a limited Yata would be. You peck for 900, cock block with your herem of floodgates, and set dem infernity barriars. Yosenjus are fine, except they abuse floodgates like candy, which is also sort of revolting, to be honest. The other thing though, is that any backrow removal or prevention of the actual Yosenju monsters sort of ruins their deck.

 

That's what stun does mate. Which is not healthy for the game, so yeah, no.

 

Most decks can tech a Gub and a self sustaining rank 4 engine like Heroics mate. If OCG nekroz can do it with Deskbots and Heroics for the mirror, you can too. Hell you TCG brats got spoiled and have GUB, if there is a will there is a way

 

Ya got to see a stun mirror match before you call it unhealthy xD......stun and control are the healthiest aspect of YGO and we should be promoting that not trying to steal away their saviors

 

Ergo.

 

Yata to 1

(Time Seal should be at 3)

 

Watch Yata be Goyo all over, y'all cry now, and are like w/e in 2 months

[Slinky]

In all honesty, the card DESERVES to stay at 0. If you don't have an out, you never will. No card should have that much power.

[Toffee.]

Divine Wind Face up, Yata peck, yata bounce, summon L or R (w/e one TCG likes) now your counter trap is active.

Divine Wind is@1

Yata, hypothetically, would be@1

And I highly doubt Yosenjus would play Terraforming.

Move seems inconsistent, if your using Yata for the sake of Wind, when Yosenjus can happily trigger it whenever.

 

Plus... I'm pretty sure Konami has gotten beyond the point of Limiting "potentially dangerous"(using this lightly) dangerous cards, if only because they would want to favor an oddly specific Deck.

Using that logic, they would Limit Painful Choice, cuz' they want to make sure BAs stay at the top.

[Astolfo]

 

 

Ya got to see a stun mirror match before you call it unhealthy xD......stun and control are the healthiest aspect of YGO and we should be promoting that not trying to steal away their saviors

Decks that are "You can't play the game" are not healthy.

 

 

 

Yata to 1

(Time Seal should be at 3)

Yeah, funk no.

[evilfusion]

Define Stun for me then? I guess we should start banning cards like Naturia Beast next since it literally says dun play spells.....

 

 

 

I mean doesn't Yosenju literally do the same damn thing? And it's self sustaining in many more ways than a limited Yata would be. You peck for 900, cock block with your herem of floodgates, and set dem infernity barriars.

 

That's what stun does mate.

 

Naturia Beast has a (pseudo) cost for its Spell negation. And it requires a more specific Deck build to fully utilize it. It also is still vulnerable to Traps and Monster Effects, and can be run over with 2200 ATK + monsters. It does seem unfair when you don't have an answer to it, but you CAN break it depending on your resources and draws.

 

However, drawing cards is even more essential than Spells.

 

Yosenju requires an entire Deck to function. Yata just needs itself and a favorable situation. Floodgates in itself are a debatable issue that some people are very passionately in favor or against, so let's set that aside for the time being.

 

Again consider what my argument actually is: Cards that skip the (opponent's) Draw Phase are, by default, NOT FAIR, because the most basic resource in Yu-Gi-Oh is cards. And you only get 1 draw a turn, without card effects. Locking the draw grinds your progression to a halt. The less effort needed to skip a Draw Phase, the more abusable and unfair the card is. Yata Garasu is the most unfair of the bunch, because Time Seal has one use without further dedication to recycle it. Yata Garasu recycles itself as part of its shtick as a Spirit monster, letting it dodge Spell Speed 1 removal effects like Dark Hole or Raigeki by virtue of not being on the Field for you to kill.

 

Here's another big issue: I don't think Yata would have any real competitive impact if unbanned. You're right that it's inconsistent for the most part. But what will Yata ADD to the game? Because all it has to add is Draw Phase lockdowns. Why do you WANT something like that back in the game?

[mido9]

Time Seal is a Trap Card that goes to the Graveyard when it is used.

Yata Garasu is a monster that returns to your hand.

 

One of these is much easier to reuse than the other.

Yeah, but is yata REALLY going to be hitting more than once now?

 

Like, really. I think games end at each player having drawn(from the deck, due to draw phase at turn 1 or more) about.. 7 or 8 cards total without yata? How often is a game going to last long enough for yata to peck twice(and yata that pecks only once isnt very useful considering you just lost your normal summon and have a yata in hand instead of a normal playmaking card). It's just not going to be a big blowout or "I win the rest of the game" card because well, negating one or two draw phases is basically just negating a very tiny part of the game, instead o half of it for your opponent like it did before.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Divine Wind is@1

Yata, hypothetically, would be@1

And I highly doubt Yosenjus would play Terraforming.

Move seems inconsistent, if your using Yata for the sake of Wind, when Yosenjus can happily trigger it whenever.

 

Plus... I'm pretty sure Konami has gotten beyond the point of Limiting "potentially dangerous"(using this lightly) dangerous cards, if only because they would want to favor an oddly specific Deck.

Using that logic, they would Limit Painful Choice, cuz' they want to make sure BAs stay at the top.

BA are meta (last I checked?) BA aren't even in OCG yet and people already want LPD and Cir's head on a spike cause of the Dante-REDMD loop

 

When's the last time stun did something like that?

 

@1st part, Black's right, sometimes I get a bit bright eyes over combos's like that 

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, would Ghost Rabbit be able to screw Yata over? Cause everyone and their mothers are already running it right? Counters don't justify a card IK, I just want to know the interaction between the two (talking Yata bounce back to hand eff)

[Astolfo]

Here's another big issue: I don't think Yata would have any real competitive impact if unbanned. You're right that it's inconsistent for the most part. But what will Yata ADD to the game? Because all it has to add is Draw Phase lockdowns. Why do you WANT something like that back in the game?

THIS.

 

There is nothing healthy, productive, or otherwise good Yata adds to the game.

It only adds detrimental aspects and promotes stupid lockdown decks.

Said lockdown prevents people from playing the game.

Yeah, no.

BA are meta (last I checked?) BA aren't even in OCG yet and people already want LPD and Cir's head on a spike cause of the Dante-REDMD loop

Uh, BAs are not meta at last check, they have a fairly easily abusable combo, but meta overshadows them by a far margin, as far as I remember.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Naturia Beast has a (pseudo) cost for its Spell negation. And it requires a more specific Deck build to fully utilize it. It also is still vulnerable to Traps and Monster Effects, and can be run over with 2200 ATK + monsters. It does seem unfair when you don't have an answer to it, but you CAN break it depending on your resources and draws.

 

However, drawing cards is even more essential than Spells.

 

Yosenju requires an entire Deck to function. Yata just needs itself and a favorable situation. Floodgates in itself are a debatable issue that some people are very passionately in favor or against, so let's set that aside for the time being.

 

Again consider what my argument actually is: Cards that skip the (opponent's) Draw Phase are, by default, NOT FAIR, because the most basic resource in Yu-Gi-Oh is cards. And you only get 1 draw a turn, without card effects. Locking the draw grinds your progression to a halt. The less effort needed to skip a Draw Phase, the more abusable and unfair the card is. Yata Garasu is the most unfair of the bunch, because Time Seal has one use without further dedication to recycle it. Yata Garasu recycles itself as part of its shtick as a Spirit monster, letting it dodge Spell Speed 1 removal effects like Dark Hole or Raigeki by virtue of not being on the Field for you to kill.

 

Here's another big issue: I don't think Yata would have any real competitive impact if unbanned. You're right that it's inconsistent for the most part. But what will Yata ADD to the game? Because all it has to add is Draw Phase lockdowns. Why do you WANT something like that back in the game?

 

Yata is also still vulnerable to Traps and Monster Effects..and guess what, spells too. Please. Naturia Beast literally requires you to splash GUB in a deck

 

Yata just needs itself and a favorable situation.

 

In a favorable situation (like opening the right three cards) I can summon Exterio, Sifr, Quasar, Infinity, and Dank Law, guess we better ban all those cause of one favorable situation

 

Yata would give stun deck what they really need. Someone to hold back the Fast and Furious metagame atm. If one more Yosenju or Verz tops because of Yata it will be worth the unban

 

 

 

Uh, BAs are not meta at last check, they have a fairly easily abusable combo, but meta overshadows them by a far margin, as far as I remember.

 

 

I stand corrected then. My only knowledge of BA is what Klav told me, rants from OCG players losing to BA+CD, and DGZ's recurring limit cir-cle jerk (: )

[Expelsword]

Yata has a LOT of situations it can be used in.

[Rodrigo]

Yata kinda sounds nasty in Shaddolls after you play Winda, but eh, I doubt the deck would even run it since it's so good without a lock like this.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Yata has a LOT of situations it can be used in.

Yata requires a clear bored, no real hand traps. Good luck getting that to happen. If you have nothing in hand and nothing on feild. You played badly and don't deserve the top-deck to win

 

What does yata do? It stops things like top Deck BLS, Top deck reborn, top deck CED.

 

It makes the winner win, and the lose lose, by eliminating chance 

[Astolfo]

Yata is also still vulnerable to Traps and Monster Effects..and guess what, spells too. Please.

Except you know, you'd have to have some trap that does that, and if you don't, you're f***ed. If your opponent has no monsters left since they all got killed by your other monsters before you get out Yata and attack them with that, they're f***ed. Yeah no.

Naturia Beast literally requires you to splash GUB in a deck

Except if it was that good, everyone would tech GUB and Naturia Beast. Do you see that happening? No. Why? There's far better options that are also you know, interactive. Isn't that word just magical?

 

>>> Yata just needs itself and a favorable situation.

In a favorable situation (like opening the right three cards) I can summon Exterio, Sifr, Quasar, Infinity, and Dank Law, guess we better ban all those cause of one favorable situation

Except you're not going to get out most of those without a deck that can get those out specifically anyways, and you're probably almost never going to get out the first unless it's a deck for that, the next two are going to rely on luck and good playing with a Quasar deck, and Infinity/Dank Law need HEROs/R4 engine. Also, there's lots of outs to either of the last two, there's practically none to Yata.

 

Yata would give stun deck what they really need. Someone to hold back the Fast and Furious metagame atm. If one more Yosenju or Verz tops because of Yata it will be worth the unban

Except meta is fast and YGO is fast because that's what people want. Stun decks don't need to exist if they're only going to exist to lock, hell no.

Decks that focus on locking someone with a method as easy as Yata is never good for the game.

 

If Yosenju or Verz tops because of literally just Yata, that's a sign Yata shouldn't exist, not that it was good to unban them.

 

Uh, Yata requires nothing more than just hoping your opponent has nothing that negates the summon (which is probably limited to only Solemn anyways unless there's a deck specific variant or a sided card that does that, and Solemn is limited), or anything that'd stop the attack (Mirror Force/Magic Cylinder, neither of which are good/get teched, Compulsory is also limited),

 

Clear board isn't needed, they just need to be able to attack with Yata and not be stopped. Since it bounces, Raigeki/Dark Hole/all the other things won't do jack to it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Yata is also still vulnerable to Traps and Monster Effects..and guess what, spells too. Please.

Except you know, you'd have to have some trap that does that, and if you don't, you're f***ed. If your opponent has no monsters left since they all got killed by your other monsters before you get out Yata and attack them with that, they're f***ed. Yeah no.

Naturia Beast literally requires you to splash GUB in a deck

Except if it was that good, everyone would tech GUB and Naturia Beast. Do you see that happening? No. Why? There's far better options that are also you know, interactive. Isn't that word just magical?

 

>>> Yata just needs itself and a favorable situation.

In a favorable situation (like opening the right three cards) I can summon Exterio, Sifr, Quasar, Infinity, and Dank Law, guess we better ban all those cause of one favorable situation

Except you're not going to get out most of those without a deck that can get those out specifically anyways, and you're probably almost never going to get out the first unless it's a deck for that, the next two are going to rely on luck and good playing with a Quasar deck, and Infinity/Dank Law need HEROs/R4 engine. Also, there's lots of outs to either of the last two, there's practically none to Yata.

 

Yata would give stun deck what they really need. Someone to hold back the Fast and Furious metagame atm. If one more Yosenju or Verz tops because of Yata it will be worth the unban

Except meta is fast and YGO is fast because that's what people want. Stun decks don't need to exist if they're only going to exist to lock, hell no.

Decks that focus on locking someone with a method as easy as Yata is never good for the game.

 

If Yosenju or Verz tops because of Yata, that's a sign Yata shouldn't exist, not that it was good to unban them.

 

1) That's false. 2 Quickdraw, Cata, Accel Synch=Nova. Its quite common to see Junk users in OCG just fold to a maxx c by going into CDI and turn end instead of going full ham and going into Quasar+Sifr. Dank I'll give you, but Mask Change 2 isn't hard to tech

 

2) "Except meta is fast and YGO is fast because that's what people want. " A great many people will disagree with you. Just look at the comment section everytime a OCG decklist is posted "ARGGG FORMAT SO FAST...HAXX"

 

3) "If Yosenju or Verz tops because of Yata, that's a sign Yata shouldn't exist, not that it was good to unban them." 

 

it actully means that Konami realized aggro was too damn strong for once and made a decent choice to slow the game down

 

4) IDK about TCG, but Desk Bots+ Halbard= N Beast is popular enough in Nekroz, I can only argue from my experience 

 

 

 

Yata kinda sounds nasty in Shaddolls after you play Winda, but eh, I doubt the deck would even run it since it's so good without a lock like this.

Those locks are cute sure.

 

But Winda Law is considered weak. Winda Shock is considered bad. Law Shock is considered unoptimal. Do you really think Yata is better than any of those three card in stun ability?

[evilfusion]

 

 

 

Yata is also still vulnerable to Traps and Monster Effects..and guess what, spells too. Please. Naturia Beast literally requires you to splash GUB in a deck

 

Yata just needs itself and a favorable situation.

 

In a favorable situation (like opening the right three cards) I can summon Exterio, Sifr, Quasar, Infinity, and Dank Law, guess we better ban all those cause of one favorable situation

 

Yata would give stun deck what they really need. Someone to hold back the Fast and Furious metagame atm. If one more Yosenju or Verz tops because of Yata it will be worth the unban

 

 

You're overinterpreting favorable situation and for some reason claiming I mean it in an extremely specific way in order to discredit my point. Opening the right 3 cards in a combo can lead to stupid stuff, but it's not the same thing as my generic use of "favorable situation", which is purposefully applying to very simple, common scenarios where you have the means to destroy your opponent's resources in battle or card effects so Yata is free to direct attack and prevent any comeback from taking place.

 

And no, Yata is not vulnerable to those things in the same way Beast is. That's part of its problem. Yes, if you have Traps to stop Yata already on hand/Set, you can stop the lockdown. If you have Monster Effects to stop Yata, you can stop the lock. But the difference with Beast is that you still get to draw cards. You can draw a Trap Card. Or a monster card. You can acquire an out if you didn't have one when Beast was Summoned.

 

Yata locks DRAWS. If you didn't have an out when Yata attacked you, you're not going to draw an out. Because you can't draw. If your immediate resources in hand or Field can't block Yata during your next turn, you're not going to draw ever again. You will lose by virtue of never getting another draw and either being killed super slowly, or your opponent getting the resources needed to win sooner, because their Draw Phase isn't locked.

 

I don't think Stun is supposed to operate as far as locking down draws. As in LITERALLY locking down draws. Cards that spin like Chidori, Raiza, Phoenix Wing, etc CAN lock draws in essence by having the top card being dead, but there's a serious difference between making the opponent dead draw once and preventing them from drawing anything.

[Astolfo]

1) Like I said, you're not going to get out a card like that without a deck specifically devoted to it, and even then, it requires a certain good hand/set-up which isn't going to happen all too often.

2) There's always those who disagree, Konami sees the majority (if it's not the actual majority, then they're looking through some weird lens or w/e IDEK) and ups the pace, as well as releasing new/novel/strong mechanics to moneywhore.

3) No, it means a deck that abuses floodgates and now can abuse a game-breaking deck has topped because of one single card that should have never been unbanned (for Yosenjus). I barely remember anything about Verz right now.

4) No good Nekroz deck uses Halberd or Deskbots.

 

 

There's usually outs to just about any lock.
If you don't have an out to Yata immediately, as evilfusion said, you're never going to get an out.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

1) Like I said, you're not going to get out a card like that without a deck specifically devoted to it, and even then, it requires a certain good hand/set-up which isn't going to happen all too often.

2) There's always those who disagree, Konami sees the majority (if it's not the actual majority, then they're looking through some weird lens or w/e IDEK) and ups the pace, as well as releasing new/novel/strong mechanics to moneywhore.

3) No, it means a deck that abuses floodgates and now can abuse a game-breaking deck has topped because of one single card that should have never been unbanned (for Yosenjus). I barely remember anything about Verz right now.

4) No good Nekroz deck uses Halberd or Deskbots.

 

 

There's usually outs to just about any lock.

If you don't have an out to Yata immediately, as evilfusion said, you're never going to get an out.

1) I mean that's the entire point of Junk Synchro, summon your boss literally all the cards I mentioned can be summoned quite easily in the deck without too much dedication, but let's not get too off topic

 

2) the vast majority of players hate powercreep. Why do you think the OCG list has been eradicating meta decks and now put a set rotation format on Non Japan asia?

 

3) It means now Heros can only go +3 instead of +5 and maybe, just maybe Yo Senju DNA has a chance of winning

 

4) HA! Tell me that when TCG decide to limit your main searcher, your main recycle, you best generic cards, and your best ritual spell

 

@Evil I'll get to you, I wanna think about how to word this first