Expelsword Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 he's saying that as long as he has any monster, if you can't get rid of said monster and can't get over it then yata-garasu makes you auto-lose THANK YOU! To be honest the problems with Yata are the actual problems, not yata. You could make up something like the Djinn lock being something super good for it to synergize with, but Yata isn't the problem in that scenario. This is part of what I mean. Yata makes very powerful setups that much more unbreakable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 THANK YOU! This is part of what I mean. Yata makes very powerful setups that much more unbreakable.No it does not. If you're top decking a way out of CDI, Yata or not you cannot win. By keeping Yata banned you are not putting down decks like Clown Blade, you are denying Stun any chance to do some good in this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 THANK YOU! This is part of what I mean. Yata makes very powerful setups that much more unbreakable.Yes, but again, those set-ups are INSANELY specific. And for funk's sake, LEARN WHEN TO QUIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yes, I can "Yata-Lock" with Noral I should be able to "Stein Lock" Brain Research Lab and DNA surgery I wonder why I never see that happen...oh right, cute combos are retarded and don't have any baring outside of theory-oh on paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yes, but again, those set-ups are INSANELY specific. And for funk's sake, LEARN WHEN TO QUIT. Those set-ups don't actually seem all that specific. Something involving Dark Law + Yata would probably hardlock a ton of decks out of the game tbh. But again, it's more the problem with Dark Law than Yata. Also people don't tell him to quit. It's honestly quite aggravating when we otherwise have a rather civilized thing going on and you're telling people to leave. It's helping people come to a mutual understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yes, but again, those set-ups are INSANELY specific. And for f***'s sake, LEARN WHEN TO QUIT. It's insanely specific to have a strong monster like Infernoid Adramelech, or one that stuns, like Dark Law, or both, like Archlord Krystia on, say turn 3? Not having an answer is something that happens, and when it does, this card prevents you from ever having an answer. The possibility of Yata to seal games which you could potentially come out of is poisonous and a terrible idea to have around. By the way, you're hardly anyone to talk, after that disasterous Torrential Reborn topic that proves you know absolutely jack sheet about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 It's insanely specific to have a strong monster like Infernoid Adramelech, or one that stuns, like Dark Law, or both, like Archlord Krystia on, say turn 3? Not having an answer is something that happens, and when it does, this card prevents you from ever having an answer. The possibility of Yata to seal games which you could potentially come out of is poisonous and a terrible idea to have around. By the way, you're hardly anyone to talk, after that disasterous Torrential Reborn topic that proves you know absolutely jack sheet about the game.WHO WOULD EVEN USE YATA-GARASU IN THOSE DECKS?! I know more than you, apparently. I knew full well that my idea was horrible from the start and I even admitted so, yet you insist that this card, which requires VERY SPECIFIC SET-UPS, should remain banned. What the funk are you smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yata much like time seal does not really advance your game state. The normal for all effective purposes is fixed @1. 200 damage means jack sheet. You need to establish a bored to "seal" with Yata. If you're opponent is incompetent enough to let that happen then they deserve to lose ...Dark Law? Really? Mate we are living in an age where Shock+Law+CDI doesn't last more than 2-3 turns......and you think Yata+Law will do anything? Don't make me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yata much like time seal does not really advance your game state. The normal for all effective purposes is fixed @1. 200 damage means jack sheet. You need to establish a bored to "seal" with Yata. If you're opponent is incompetent enough to let that happen then they deserve to lose ...Dark Law? Really? Mate we are living in an age where Shock+Law+CDI doesn't last more than 2-3 turns......and you think Yata+Law will do anything? Don't make me laugh Seriously. This guy speaks the truth. Man up, folks. Is this REALLY more threatening than sheet like JUDGMENT DRAGON?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Seriously. This guy speaks the truth. Man up, folks. Is this REALLY more threatening than s*** like JUDGMENT DRAGON?!Playing the Devil's advocate. I am an "OCG BATSHIT DEVIL WITH CRAZY BROKE CARDS UP HIS ASS".....so my "truth" likely means Jack to most of these people I literally see Yata going to 1. Then Stein/MoF/Goyo'ing its ass back to 3 Like I remember in February people were like OH NO, EXERIO TURBO.....yeh no, Exterio is lucky if it lasts a turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Playing the Devil's advocate. I am an "OCG BATSHIT DEVIL WITH CRAZY BROKE CARDS UP HIS ASS".....so my "truth" likely means Jack to most of these peopleI believe you. Seriously. There's more threatening sheet that's banned, like, say, Redox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 WHO WOULD EVEN USE YATA-GARASU IN THOSE DECKS?! I would give Yata a shot in Infernoids...Reasoning passes right over it.It's a Level 1 that gets itself off the board, so it's not interfering with your Levels at all.They have multiple ways to ruin the board (Raigeki/Dark Hole spam, Nehemoth, Lilith, Adramelech is a huge double swinger, Vael gets around everything....) Oh yeah, and they all Special Summon, so your once per turn Normal is pretty free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 ...Dark Law? Really? Mate we are living in an age where Shock+Law+CDI doesn't last more than 2-3 turns......and you think Yata+Law will do anything? Don't make me laugh It was a hypothetical situation. It's an incredibly difficult situation to be able to work your way out of since you can't search your way out of it and graveyard effects aren't accessable. It's not a defining highlight by any means, but rather something in the same vein as Dark Law could cause problems with Yata down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I would give Yata a shot in Infernoids...Reasoning passes right over it.It's a Level 1 that gets itself off the board, so it's not interfering with your Levels at all.They have multiple ways to ruin the board (Raigeki/Dark Hole spam, Nehemoth, Lilith, Adramelech is a huge double swinger, Vael gets around everything....) Oh yeah, and they all Special Summon, so your once per turn Normal is pretty free.>says infernoids>mentions lilith ...Lilith is D/D, you twat. >says yata is level 1 IT'S. LEVEL. 2. English! Do you read it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I would give Yata a shot in Infernoids...Reasoning passes right over it.It's a Level 1 that gets itself off the board, so it's not interfering with your Levels at all.They have multiple ways to ruin the board (Raigeki/Dark Hole spam, Nehemoth, Lilith, Adramelech is a huge double swinger, Vael gets around everything....) Oh yeah, and they all Special Summon, so your once per turn Normal is pretty free.You have a pretty good chance of milling Yata in any case It's a lv 2 Why would I ever run a card that I'm likely to mill over setting up the Lilith-Exterio lock? like do you have a good answer to that? Cause the answer is you wouldn't. Chaos Emperor Dragon should be the balls in Infernoids. Run em T-King and Kuibandit....guess what it, it sees 0 play. Paper=/= IRL >says infernoids>mentions lilith ...Lilith is D/D, you twat. >says yata is level 1 IT'S. LEVEL. 2. English! Do you read it?! Chill mate, Lilith is the OCG name for Onk's Waifu. He has a point, but running Nomi card you wanna draw in Infernoids has been proven to be good awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 >says infernoids >mentions lilith ...Lilith is D/D, you twat. >says yata is level 1 IT'S. LEVEL. 2. English! Do you read it?! Infernoid Lilith is the OCG name of the Level 9 Infernoid.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Infernoid Lilith is the OCG name of the Level 9 Infernoid..Oh, sorry my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 It was a hypothetical situation. It's an incredibly difficult situation to be able to work your way out of since you can't search your way out of it and graveyard effects aren't accessable. It's not a defining highlight by any means, but rather something in the same vein as Dark Law could cause problems with Yata down the line.Dank Law has 1 format at best to remain at multiples. I mean saw you open AHL + Yata. That's a pretty slow game of attrition unless you have something to nuke their hand. Back in Yata lock people waited to CED before Yata. Ever wonder why? Yata is sheet. And only works when you are already ahead. Just summoning Law doesn't make you "go ahead" otherwise Heroes would be top deck in OCG and actully do something in TCG Yosenju are the single exception to this claim, and that's due to Divine Valley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Chill mate, Lilith is the OCG name for Onk's Waifu. He has a point, but running Nomi card you wanna draw in Infernoids has been proven to be good awfulOnuncu is acually Devyaty's sister. Nehemoth is the traditional sister of Lilith. #themoreyouknow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateIRS Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I would give Yata a shot in Infernoids...Reasoning passes right over it. Actually, Reasoning would mill it and then stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Onuncu is acually Devyaty's sister. Nehemoth is the traditional sister of Lilith. #themoreyouknowSiblings can funk. #Lannister #spoilersdunkillme That aside, CED is the perfect example as to why it won't in infernoids. CED should allow for easy af OTK's. Is it run. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Actually, Reasoning would mill it and then stop. OOPS. You're right. That's actually really bad. Maybe not Infernoids then... Still the point remains that making actual locks even stronger than they are is a terrible idea for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Oops, it's Level 2, not 1.Guess how much that matters. Well, if you're going to mill over it anyway, it didn't exactly hurt you, did it?Of course I'd have to test it to see if the merits of having it outweigh the times it gets in the way, but since it has to come off the list for me to do that... It doesn't seem like a bad thing to try.Space is tight. Infernoids already have a terrible Hero Match up and are running things like Super Poly to get over CDI+Shock in tellars do you really think they will cut the T-King/Stein/Dek/DMoC that saves their ass for a cute card they will likely mill? GL topping mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Thing is.... TC... It's more or less Konami being paranoid. They know full well the card is useless in "today's game", and they dont want to take any chances when they are fully capable of destroying the game by whatever other means they come up with......Which is incredibly hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Thing is.... TC... It's more or less Konami being paranoid. They know full well the card is useless in "today's game", and they dont want to take any chances when they are fully capable of destroying the game by whatever other means they come up with......Which is incredibly hypocritical.Stein @ counterpoint Why do I think Yata's true home is in Yosenju? Divine Wind Face up, Yata peck, yata bounce, summon L or R (w/e one TCG likes) now your counter trap is active. Where would I personally run it? Verz easily. Ophion+Yata is supa sexy, but I'm a scrub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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