MasterDragon35 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Snatch Steal from the opponent's DECK?Yeah, just no. Snatch Steal was banned for stealing face-up stuff on the field; this one can directly go into the opponent's Deck and steal whatever you please. ----Yeah, this requires a discard, but that doesn't make it any less bad of a design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowsapex Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I got an idea:Declare a card name, excavate the top 5-8 cards of your opponent's deck, and if the declared monster is there, special summon it to your side of the field, ignoring summoning conditions. Would that balance it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 "Ignoring the Summoning conditions"? So when the stars align I can rip a Horakhty out of the opponent's Deck and win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 That would assume opponent is even running Horakthy or the God cards.But yes, given Shadowliepard's suggested fix, that is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowsapex Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 What kind of deck would be playing Horakhty? How would you even know they were playing Horakhty? And I bet they wouldn't be playing it at 3 copies, so what are the chances you'd even get it? So yeah, that's a pretty extreme example, but I guess ignoring summoning conditions might be a bit OP against decks playing powerful boss monsters, like Assault Mode or Chaos. And what should the excavated number be, 5 or 8? Or maybe something in between, cuz 8 may be too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 This is a controversial effect for sure, but I think it can be fixed. It already costs a discard and if the equip card is removed the opponent just got a free search on its own monster; what I mean is that this is heavily punishable by MST and backrow removal. Horakhty and win conditions aside, wouldn't the strongest things you could summon are high-level maindeck bosses/beaters? So, I think a way for balancing this card is to Summon Level 4 or lower monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeskipper Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 IMHO just removing the "Ignoring its summoning conditions" would be enough. After all, most of the strongest maindeck monsters are Nomi anyway, so the best you can get with this card is usually just a beatstick. The really powerful stuff is usually in the extra deck. And the Level 4 or lower monsters usually work as an engine or work with the deck (meaning that if you steal one you won't be able to use it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Snatch Steal from the opponent's DECK?Yeah, just no. Snatch Steal was banned for stealing face-up stuff on the field; this one can directly go into the opponent's Deck and steal whatever you please. ----Yeah, this requires a discard, but that doesn't make it any less bad of a design.There is a world of difference between taking something the opponent invested in for free and taking something your opponent hasnt used at all for a cost AND the chance that it goes to the enemy hand. It's not even comparable to snatch steal. At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeskipper Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 There is a world of difference between taking something the opponent invested in for free and taking something your opponent hasnt used at all for a cost AND the chance that it goes to the enemy hand. It's not even comparable to snatch steal. At all.Also, this.It's not fair to compare this to Snatch Steal. A better comparaison would be Autonomous Action Unit, which is pretty much a Premature Burial from your opponent's graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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