Raidraptor (CPF1)

[mshends]

Raidraptor – Napalm Dragonius
CPF1-JP004
DARK/LV4/Winged Beast/Effect/1000/1000
1. Once per turn, during your Main Phase: You can inflict 600 points of damage to your opponent. After you activate this effect, you cannot activate the effects of monsters until the end of the turn, except “Raidraptor” monsters.
2. When this card is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard: You can Special Summon 1 “Raidraptor” monster from your Deck, but its effects are negated.

 

Raidraptor – Blade Burner Falcon
CPF1-JP005
DARK/R4/Winged Beast/Xyz/Effect/1000/1000
2 Level 4 Winged Beast-Type Monsters
1. If this card is Xyz Summoned while your Life Points are at least 3000 lower than your opponent: You can increase this card’s ATK by 3000.
2. When this card destroys an opponent’s monster by battle: You can detach any number of this card’s Xyz Materials; Destroy monsters your opponent controls, up to the number of Xyz Materials detached to activate this effect.

[Slinky]

Napalm is decent, nothing amazing.

 

Expected better from Blade Burner.

 

So, mostly trash.

[Blake]

what the actual funk is this

 

i mean napalm's a gimmicky decent card, but funk

[BlackBeartic]

Tbh. Napalm isn't as bad as people think.

 

95% of the time your first turn is going to be Force Strix. (So free 600 burn). Float effect is absolute trash. If it got the effect off of being detached then I'd call it good

 

However running this at more than 1 is bad. Card is 5/10

 

People are too quick (as usual here) to judge BB Falcon.

 

It's not exactly hard to be 3000 less than the opponent and it actually gives offensive presence without the need of a SSed monster. Remember, Pain Lanius exists (and for some reason people don't use it.) So if you've taken a bit of damage, just use pain on something like VL or Mimicry to widen the gap.

 

Destroy effect doesn't target. If you are using Rank 4 Spam build you can easily fit 2 of these.

 

I give the card a 7.5/10 and will probably run 1-2. Easy out to a lot of things and beats Magnus once you bait (not the best out because of the LP condition but it's whatever)

 

I get an easy feeling that people think "Oh it's not monarch broken so its bad" ESPECIALLY with RR.

 

Definitely running BB. Though on the fence about Napalm

[Blake]

Tbh. Napalm isn't as bad as people think.

 

95% of the time your first turn is going to be Force Strix. (So free 600 burn). Float effect is absolute trash. If it got the effect off of being detached then I'd call it good

 

However running this at more than 1 is bad. Card is 5/10

 

People are too quick (as usual here) to judge BB Falcon.

 

It's not exactly hard to be 3000 less than the opponent and it actually gives offensive presence without the need of a SSed monster. Remember, Pain Lanius exists (and for some reason people don't use it.) So if you've taken a bit of damage, just use pain on something like VL or Mimicry to widen the gap.

 

Destroy effect doesn't target. If you are using Rank 4 Spam build you can easily fit 2 of these.

 

I give the card a 7.5/10 and will probably run 1-2. Easy out to a lot of things and beats Magnus once you bait (not the best out because of the LP condition but it's whatever)

 

I get an easy feeling that people think "Oh it's not monarch broken so its bad" ESPECIALLY with RR.

 

Definitely running BB. Though on the fence about Napalm

Depending on losing for a situational card is not good. You should never run more than a tech, if even. It's not a matter of moanrch broken, it's a matter of the card being genuinely underdesigned. Hoenstly unsure why it's not generic.

 

Soul Shave Force is not an argument, because the chances of opp remaining 7000+ when you resovle it are low. Yes, it can enable it, but it's not consistent.

 

Want a beater? UTL is better, albeit 1-shot.

Want a "perma"beater? Zerofyne does it better, despite only being a 2-shot.

Want removal? You have great options, like Dire Wolf and Castel.

Need board clear and have soul shave to enable this? Just go RevoFalcon.

 

Its niche is narrow and outclassed by existing cards. It's not generic, so it can't be made cheap with, say, Norden, and it just doesn't add a lot. At all. It's arguably worse than Rise Falcon, considering Strix fills the 2-mat slot.

 

Napalm is alright at best, but BBF is pretty much plain bad.

[Toffee.]

...Kinda' wish Napalm didn't negate the Summoned monster's effects. Not saying Napalm is bad or anything, but still.

[evilfusion]

The only really good value I see for Blade Burner is that's a RR Rank 4 for 2 Mats that isn't Force Strix, so it gets around the issue of some of the RR effects restricting you to RRs only. The problem is that it's only remotely good when you're down by 3000 LP or more, which...is actually kind of hard to do consistently. It's a solid tech, but I suspect that post- Ultimate Falcon builds really don't have much space for something inconsistent.

[~Faytl~]

I mean, Soul Shave Force is a card, guys. This doesn't look that bad later game.

[Toffee.]

The only really good value I see for Blade Burner is that's a RR Rank 4 for 2 Mats that isn't Force Strix, so it gets around the issue of some of the RR effects restricting you to RRs only. The problem is that it's only remotely good when you're down by 3000 LP or more, which...is actually kind of hard to do consistently. It's a solid tech, but I suspect that post- Ultimate Falcon builds really don't have much space for something inconsistent.

You know, I'm betting the only reason they actually printed Blade/left it basically the same, was because they are under the impression Raptors play like 40 copies of Soul Shave.

[Progenitor]

I'd say that the most relevant thing is that BB is a 2 mat rank 4 that isn't Styx, so I guess that's cool

[玄魔の王]

...Kinda' wish Napalm didn't negate the Summoned monster's effects. Not saying Napalm is bad or anything, but still.

In an era where the only attacks are directly and for game, yes it is bad.

 

Maybe in OCGland RR will run Upstart now to create the LP gap. *shot*

[BlackBeartic]

Meh I'll just have to test to find out myself tbh. I doubt I'll be running more than one for either tho.

 

Bad time to put the LP modding draw cards down lol.

[Hello my name is Enguin]

Blade Burner gives you an offensive option off using Fuzzy. The LP deficit is not hard to muster because 3 Soul Shave, regardless of when you use it, will cut you down, and a 3k margin isn't all that unlikely in regular play anyway. And then you get a 4k 2-mat rank 4. It's probably going to be better than Rise Falcon, it gives you a semi-reliable out for Magnus/Ulti Ruri that isn't Rise. The real selling point for me is you can do it with Fuzzy honestly, but it's still likely to be a good 1-of.

[VCR_CAT]

So, Blade Burner is just a worse Ravenous Tarantula, huh?

[vla1ne]

BB is droppable off of fuzzy. UTL is not, and rise falcon takes 3, so it still can't be used as easily. a 3K deficit can be moderated easily in RR thanks to RR-Readiness and soul shave. napalms terrible in this format, and i doubt it'll ever get better, but BB as a one-off can threaten everything off of any RR combo. UTL (and other non RR monsters) cannot do that, and rise takes 3 mats to pull it off instead of 2, so it's often impractical.

 

so yeah, napalms bad, but BB is actually decent since it's respectable offensive power that actually works with RR support.

[Blake]

IDK why you guys keep citing Fuzzy or Soul Shave Force.

 

The former should have all of its resources exhausted before your third turn. You will not be needing a giant beater/be that low that soon, or you'd already be dead or you were playing loose and fast with readiness. If you're not out of fuzzies by then, you're playing the deck wrong or you somehow managed to brick horribly.

 

The latter is not searchable. It is not worth one of your VERY tight ED slots for plays where you have the ability to R4 in addition to shave force, and RevoFalcon does the Shave Force turn removal thing better.

 

Call is a better argument than Fuzzy, but Call is just worse than Swallow's Nest, overall.

[BlackBeartic]

Ahh

 

You gotta love when people don't even bother testing but they immediately say it's bad. Kinda like how everyone thought Chaos Max was broken based off of looking at it.

 

People say soul shave is not an option, yet you can literally make a rev and THEN make Blade Burner in the same turn. I don't know why you people act like revolution is the only monster you can summon that turn. Like is it some shitty joke or what?

 

Nothing says you can't make a rev alongside this (which would easily be game with 2 or more SSed monsters on the opponent's field).

"Extra deck is so tight this isn't worth a spot"

 

lol alright, if your extra is so tight that a good 1 of can't be put in then maybe YOU GUYS made the deck wrong. Hell even in rank 4 spam builds there's space to put this at 1.

 

You guys are criminally underrating this card and it's actually hilarious to see. This might as well be the same situation as Chaos Max but reversed (Everyone thought Chaos Max was broken, but everyone thinks BB is trash).

Just as I said to people that said Chaos Max was broken, I will repeat yet again with this card.

 

FFS Just wait, card hasn't even been tested yet or even played. Stop making dumb assumptions before we get a chance to see this in action. People here have been doing this lately and it's honestly confusing me.

[Blake]

Ahh

 

You gotta love when people don't even bother testing but they immediately say it's bad. Kinda like how everyone thought Chaos Max was broken based off of looking at it.

 

People say soul shave is not an option, yet you can literally make a rev and THEN make Blade Burner in the same turn. I don't know why you people act like revolution is the only monster you can summon that turn. Like is it some shitty joke or what?

 

Nothing says you can't make a rev alongside this (which would easily be game with 2 or more SSed monsters on the opponent's field).

 

"Extra deck is so tight this isn't worth a spot"

 

lol alright, if your extra is so tight that a good 1 of can't be put in then maybe YOU GUYS made the deck wrong. Hell even in rank 4 spam builds there's space to put this at 1.

 

You guys are criminally underrating this card and it's actually hilarious to see. This might as well be the same situation as Chaos Max but reversed (Everyone thought Chaos Max was broken, but everyone thinks BB is trash).

 

Just as I said to people that said Chaos Max was broken, I will repeat yet again with this card.

 

FFS Just wait, card hasn't even been tested yet or even played. Stop making dumb assumptions before we get a chance to see this in action. People here have been doing this lately and it's honestly confusing me.

You gotta love when people decide to make sweeping statements that are clearly directed at single people, yet still manage to fail at assumptions.

 

I never said Chaos Max was broken. I'm not one of the idiots that jumps on any card that looks strong before seeing playability.

 

Nevermind how weak your buzzword styled arguments regarding chaos max are. You're comparing a Ritual with nearly 0 context to an Xyz with... every last bit of current context available. There may be 1-2 manga cards I forgot, but one of them was merged into Napalm, and I think there was no other RR stuff.

 

You cannot compare Chaos Max to an Xyz in an established deck. The summoning method is clear. There's no question of how playable/summonable it is, at least on paper, because we have the required information to make statements.

 

If you want to use this style of argument, at least do it right.

 

Anyway, If your opponent has 2+ SS'd monsters, realistically, you're going to need to go into Castel, UTL, or Zerofyne to out them. It is very unlikely that the opponent would have no form of protection on/from one of them.

 

Making this as a 4K beater just isn't worth it. I mean, Heroic Champion Excalibur isn't even great, why would a super situational version be?

 

I already explained how this is worse than your good Xyz pool. Between Soul Shave targets, potential UltiRuri-engine slots, and the rank 4s, your ED is tight. You should not be laughing at the fact that this deck has a tight extra deck, considering most do. And this isn't a "good card". It's a niche card.

 

Not to mention:

This is a non-generic

Rank 4 spam decks lost almost all of their good Xyz that filled the slots

 

So your arguments fall flat, again.

 

You calling it a "good 1-of" makes just as many, if not MORE, assumptions than the average person saying it's not worth it, because you're declaring something that paper doesn't remotely demonstrate.

 

Barely veiled hateful statements are not an argument. Citing cards that exist, their slots, and their utility is, not to mention defusing arguments others have. If you think that it shouldn't be discussed until it's tested and/or released, feel free to bow out, lest the plank in your eye be brought to light.

[BlackBeartic]

You gotta love when people decide to make sweeping statements that are clearly directed at single people, yet still manage to fail at assumptions.

 

I never said Chaos Max was broken. I'm not one of the idiots that jumps on any card that looks strong before seeing playability.

 

Nevermind how weak your buzzword styled arguments regarding chaos max are. You're comparing a Ritual with nearly 0 context to an Xyz with... every last bit of current context available. There may be 1-2 manga cards I forgot, but one of them was merged into Napalm, and I think there was no other RR stuff.

 

You cannot compare Chaos Max to an Xyz in an established deck. The summoning method is clear. There's no question of how playable/summonable it is, at least on paper, because we have the required information to make statements.

 

If you want to use this style of argument, at least do it right.

 

Anyway, If your opponent has 2+ SS'd monsters, realistically, you're going to need to go into Castel, UTL, or Zerofyne to out them. It is very unlikely that the opponent would have no form of protection on/from one of them.

 

Making this as a 4K beater just isn't worth it. I mean, Heroic Champion Excalibur isn't even great, why would a super situational version be?

 

I already explained how this is worse than your good Xyz pool. Between Soul Shave targets, potential UltiRuri-engine slots, and the rank 4s, your ED is tight. You should not be laughing at the fact that this deck has a tight extra deck, considering most do. And this isn't a "good card". It's a niche card.

 

Not to mention:

This is a non-generic

Rank 4 spam decks lost almost all of their good Xyz that filled the slots

 

So your arguments fall flat, again.

 

You calling it a "good 1-of" makes just as many, if not MORE, assumptions than the average person saying it's not worth it, because you're declaring something that paper doesn't remotely demonstrate.

 

Barely veiled hateful statements are not an argument. Citing cards that exist, their slots, and their utility is, not to mention defusing arguments others have. If you think that it shouldn't be discussed until it's tested and/or released, feel free to bow out, lest the plank in your eye be brought to light.

It wasn't directed only towards you as this type of assumption happened all up in the chaos max thread. You're just one of many pal.

 

But hey you do you and I'll do what a person who actually plays this deck does. Wait and test and if it's bad, it's bad. It isn't that hard lol

[Blake]

It wasn't directed only towards you as this type of assumption happened all up in the chaos max thread. You're just one of many pal.

 

But hey you do you and I'll do what a person who actually plays this deck does. Wait and test and if it's bad, it's bad. It isn't that hard lol

I'm the only person who replied negatively between your last post and now. Barring VCR's mark comparing it to a high rank monster, which is hardly what you describe. Your defense here falls flat, and suggests either insane overreaction or that you were, in fact, targetting without "picking a fight".

 

I actually play the deck. Main? No, but I play it. And you don't automatically test every card that comes out. Did you test Skull Eagle or Wild Vulture? Devil Eagle?

 

Furthermore, you put this forward, as I alluded to:

"FFS Just wait, card hasn't even been tested yet or even played. Stop making dumb assumptions before we get a chance to see this in action. People here have been doing this lately and it's honestly confusing me."

 

Ignoring the last sentence, you are making the same "dumb assumptions". You called it a "good 1-of" without ample evidence, as your post implies there should be, while denouncing others. So either stick to that, and stay out, or join in with logic. Others have presented logic, whether it was answered or otherwise. Shouldn't be hard to do.

[BlackBeartic]

 

I'm the only person who replied negatively between your last post and now. Barring VCR's mark comparing it to a high rank monster, which is hardly what you describe. Your defense here falls flat, and suggests either insane overreaction or that you were, in fact, targetting without "picking a fight".

 

I actually play the deck. Main? No, but I play it. And you don't automatically test every card that comes out. Did you test Skull Eagle or Wild Vulture? Devil Eagle?

 

Furthermore, you put this forward, as I alluded to:

"FFS Just wait, card hasn't even been tested yet or even played. Stop making dumb assumptions before we get a chance to see this in action. People here have been doing this lately and it's honestly confusing me."

 

Ignoring the last sentence, you are making the same "dumb assumptions". You called it a "good 1-of" without ample evidence, as your post implies there should be, while denouncing others. So either stick to that, and stay out, or join in with logic. Others have presented logic, whether it was answered or otherwise. Shouldn't be hard to do.

Maybe I misworded it.

 

My thing about assumptions wasn't towards what you said. I'm just saying that people are just straight up making straight assumptions.

 

In this thread, you immediately called it trash.

 

In Chaos Max's thread people were overreacting saying it was going to be broke when it clearly isn't. That's what I mean by "dumb assumptions" granted I could've used a r word but it's whatever.

 

Skull Eagle, Devil and Wild Vulture completely went out of line of RR. Level and rank 3 and then a level 6 with a heavily restricted effect. Yes I didn't really test it because I couldn't find a way to implement them at all. If we get more level 3s (which I really don't want) then I'll probably give them a go.

 

As for this card all I'm trying to say is that you SHOULD try it. If it ends up being bad oh well, we can find a replacement. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. It's not like I can force you.

 

I'm personally going to give BB a shot and if it doesn't seem useful I'll just replace it with whatever xyz I traded it out with.

[IQuitDolphin]

Maybe I misworded it.

 

My thing about assumptions wasn't towards what you said. I'm just saying that people are just straight up making straight assumptions.

 

In this thread, you immediately called it trash.

 

In Chaos Max's thread people were overreacting saying it was going to be broke when it clearly isn't. That's what I mean by "dumb assumptions" granted I could've used a r word but it's whatever.

 

Skull Eagle, Devil and Wild Vulture completely went out of line of RR. Level and rank 3 and then a level 6 with a heavily restricted effect. Yes I didn't really test it because I couldn't find a way to implement them at all. If we get more level 3s (which I really don't want) then I'll probably give them a go.

 

As for this card all I'm trying to say is that you SHOULD try it. If it ends up being bad oh well, we can find a replacement. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. It's not like I can force you.

 

I'm personally going to give BB a shot and if it doesn't seem useful I'll just replace it with whatever xyz I traded it out with.

 

You don't use "DysonJerk & Reps" as evidence. You just don't. That's like buying and selling stocks because the first guy at the market is like "buy this stock dude, It's gonna go sky high!". You wait for the initial jerkgroup to dissipate, then let the real people evaluate it, THEN you give your thoughts; Black is one of those people.

 

People called Chaos Max broke. Black didn't, because he is a capable player that knows when to think calmly about a card and discover INTERACTIONS, not the card itself on paper. Blade Burner on paper looks interesting, but the deck doesn't NEED a Rank-Up Tarantula that hits to 4K after a Soul Shave; UTL is a 5K beater, Castel gets rid of problem cards without attacking, Zerofyne is another beater. This is just another card that appears to be redundant in fulfilling something that RR already have.

 

Skull Eagle, Devil, and Wild Vulture do not synergize with the deck enough. That's why they aren't run.

 

This statement is valid, but I personally would not even try in the first place, since, as Black stated, ED is tight, and no, OCG players didn't build the deck wrong; they built it in the most consistent way possible so they can win games often, not run cute "1-of" techs (which could replace another card in your ED that might be used more often) so they can steal a game.

 

I won't argue with you trying it out, I don't see how BB adds any to RR they can already access.

[Slinky]

I didn't rage about Chaos MAX though.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

In an era where the only attacks are directly and for game, yes it is bad.

Maybe in OCGland RR will run Upstart now to create the LP gap. *shot*

That's not funny. The inner Hoban has already surfaced with people running the Game Goblin combo with Cupidity in a 60'card deck

[玄魔の王]

That's not funny. The inner Hoban has already surfaced with people running the Game Goblin combo with Cupidity in a 60'card deck

That's amazingly funny. We've put up with inner Hoban bullshit for years now, it's your turn.

 

Also, I wonder if just hard OPTing the burn effect would have been better because I know somebody's gonna try and do A burn loop.