The Highlander Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Just from YGOpro testing, these don't seem as terrible as I was worried they'll be. Granted the field spell is the entire reason they can accomplish anything and without it they hop on the deck and flop like a fish.Well you can still use a good portion of the normal monster support (as well as woodland archer if you want a rota that desperately) including first of dragons (and raptinus), thunder end dragon, the law of the normal, tri-wight, dark factory of mass production, (order to smash), the league of uniform nomenclature and champion's vigilance, so it sounds alright, but yea the deck is very reliant on its field spell (though not as much as psy-frame) and you can use terraforming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I don't think we're getting a 3rd Level 8. See, the Hy Dragon and Dyoxen already represent the possible combination between the Hydrogen, the Carbon and the Oxygen from the 3 Level 2 - H2O and CO2, respectively. By combining those 2 substances in sufficient amounts, we can obtain organic compounds, like the Methane, already represented by Methane Hyde, a combination from all the elements included in the theme - not unlike what plants do during photosynthesis. Therefore, it's unlikely there's going to be any more compounds included in the archetype.Oh, and sorry in advance if somebody has already pointed that out and I hadn't realized it.But methane doesn't have any oxygens.It's CH4. Hydrocarbons like Glucose or Sucrose make more sense, however they are not readily explosive because Oxygen stabilizes the molecule, and that makes me question Burn Out. I honestly have a lot of questions about this archetype as a whole. Their names don't quite match the art for the level 8s. As you said, Hy Dragon is composed of 2 parts Hydron Hawk, and seemingly 1 part Oxygen Ox. However, Hy Dragon doesn't sound even remotely close to any name for Water. Rather it sounds more like what we know as naturally occuring hydrogen, H2. Hydron molecules are actually what we call lone H ions, because they don't naturally occur. Same thing with Oxygen and the other Hallogens. It's the same thing with Dyoxen. Dyoxen refers to Dioxygen molecules, hints at 2 oxygens, or naturally occuring Oxygen. However for some reason Carbon Crab is thrown into the artwork, despite the name having no references to Carbon in the name. Likewise, Spark depicts a spark hitting Methane, then Burn Out shows Methane combusting. Both of these have nothing to do with Oxygen though, besides the fact that you need the presence of Oxygen just in the air in order to have a flame. It's all kinda weird and not quite correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 But methane doesn't have any oxygens.It's CH4. Hydrocarbons like Glucose or Sucrose make more sense, however they are not readily explosive because Oxygen stabilizes the molecule, and that makes me question Burn Out. I honestly have a lot of questions about this archetype as a whole. Their names don't quite match the art for the level 8s. As you said, Hy Dragon is composed of 2 parts Hydron Hawk, and seemingly 1 part Oxygen Ox. However, Hy Dragon doesn't sound even remotely close to any name for Water. Rather it sounds more like what we know as naturally occuring hydrogen, H2. Hydron molecules are actually what we call lone H ions, because they don't naturally occur. Same thing with Oxygen and the other Hallogens. It's the same thing with Dyoxen. Dyoxen refers to Dioxygen molecules, hints at 2 oxygens, or naturally occuring Oxygen. However for some reason Carbon Crab is thrown into the artwork, despite the name having no references to Carbon in the name. Likewise, Spark depicts a spark hitting Methane, then Burn Out shows Methane combusting. Both of these have nothing to do with Oxygen though, besides the fact that you need the presence of Oxygen just in the air in order to have a flame. It's all kinda weird and not quite correctIsn't there any carbon, oxygen and hydrogen compounds with methan in their official name? The Xyz does appear to be a combination between all the main deck monsters. Also, Hy Dragon must come from hydr-, the Greek root for water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Isn't there any carbon, oxygen and hydrogen compounds with methan in their official name? The Xyz does appear to be a combination between all the main deck monsters. Also, Hy Dragon must come from hydr-, the Greek root for water.To be honest not really. Hydrocarbons follow a very specific set of rules that allow us to divide them into groups. The groups include (NOTE: 'R' is the root of the Hydrocarbon in terms of structure; aka everything not part of the distinguishing part of the compound): Now Methane as CH4 is an organic halide. Amines don't have an oxygen group so we can ignore them. Ethers bridge two more basic hydrocarbon roots into a much more complex one, which is too advanced for it to still be a meth-- root. Methane only has 1 carbon, so it also can't be a Carboxyl, amide, Aldehyde, Ester, nor Ketone group. That leaves only Alcohols, and Methanol does indeed exist. However just like Ethanol (the most common form of alcohol), it doesn't really explode when it combusts. It more so just kinda burns. Now the fumes it gives off are very volatile no doubt, which makes pure Methanol an extremely efficient fuel that is widely utilized today. But that isn't Methane Methane is specifically CH4. You can't do anything more with that. Now on the other hand, a group I have yet to mention is the methyl group, CH3. This group is present in just about every hydrocarbon structure that isn't a Benzine Ring. But once again, it's not methane. It's just an incredibly common group that rounds off free carbons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 It's Methane HYDE Fusion, as in, (what I assume to be) Methane Hydroxide, AKA Methanol. Also, dramatic effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 It's Methane HYDE Fusion, as in, (what I assume to be) Methane Hydroxide, AKA Methanol. Also, dramatic effect.Daymn sun I didnt even notice that. nice catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Well, they're on YGOPro right now. How many of each do you suggest I add into a Deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Well, they're on YGOPro right now. How many of each do you suggest I add into a Deck?I mean I'm doing three of each, for the moment at least. Hawk is niche, but Crab is a OPT ROTA and Oxen makes Hawk worth it with one of the 8s (To make the Xyz), which, with Oxen and the field spell, plus running Trade-Ins, are practically never dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokutah Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 i just love how they design this Molecular themed archetype to work together with another (sub)molecular theme series (Dragulon,Galaxy-eyes Photon,Tachcyon,Dark Matter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♪ ♪Aria ♪ ♪ Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 This archetype is interesting, since it provides compounds which can mix together to make a stronger formula, and teaches a bit about chemistry, compounds, and bonding, interesting indeed, and the art is quite remarkable.....Spark World will make high level Gemini monsters shine, since it provides a summoning condition without any tribute, nice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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