What got Thar banned?

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

That .png is definitely a keeper. 

[Simping For Hina]

Confuckulations. What do you want, a medal?

 

Need to be pissy? Owning up to sheet with what transpired. Not taking pride in it.

[Tourmaline]

I wish he and Burnpsy were simultaneously active. That would be a co-op Samurai Warriors session here if I evet saw one. Of course, the other members are the mooks. Maybe Polaris could be DLC.

[DereResonating]

Dang..When did Thar get banned again?

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Dang..When did Thar get banned again?

yesterday

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Need to be pissy? Owning up to sheet with what transpired. Not taking pride in it.

 

You're not taking any part of the fall for Thar (who is no less permabanned) or even apologizing, which makes it look an awful lot like:

 

He was down, and some jackass goaded him into posting porn

 

Which begs the question: 

 

I was the one who banned Thar. Originally it was unknown how long he was going to be banned for until the mod team had a discussion. I was wanting to be more leniant, but in the end we decided for a permaban.

Is that really necessary?

 

If the mod team had any type of discussion at all, it seems there were factors they didn't take into account in making their completely arbitrary decision for a permaban. 

[VCR_CAT]

You're not taking any part of the fall for Thar (who is no less permabanned) or even apologizing, which makes it look an awful lot like:

 

 

Which begs the question: 

 

 

 

If the mod team had any type of discussion at all, it seems there were factors they didn't take into account in making their completely arbitrary decision for a permaban. 

 

OR, like it's been said quite a few times, he's still responsible for his own actions and whether he regrets them or not he decided to break the rules to the point in resulting in a permanent ban. I don't care how much you liked the guy, he broke the rules and he's responsible for it. That's all there is to it. If you REALLY want to go talk to him, hit him on Facebook or Discord or Skype; permabans aren't stopping you from doing that. Otherwise, he got himself permabanned for breaking a pretty clear rule, and a PERMAban needs to be PERMANENT.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I don't care how much you liked the guy, he broke the rules and he's responsible for it.

 

I barely knew Thar, I'm sure he could tell you the same about me. My interactions with him have nothing to do with whether he deserved a permaban. 

 

PERMAban needs to be PERMANENT.

 

Spare me your empty platitudes (I'm going to say this every time I get them from you from now on, because you have an unseemly habit of spouting them).

 

Wahrheit's been permabanned here. I've been permabanned here. Mods make mistakes, and when they do the best thing they can do is reassess the situation once they have more information.

 

Otherwise, he got himself permabanned for breaking a pretty clear rule

 

Not true, the rules here are still "purposefully vague". 

 

OR, like it's been said quite a few times, he's still responsible for his own actions and whether he regrets them or not he decided to break the rules to the point in resulting in a permanent ban. 

 

Dae's taken responsibility for goading Thar, "owned up to it". Thar's responsibility is partial and he's already been banned for a long time.

 

[Simping For Hina]

Why should I apologize? All I literally did was tell him to stop. If he didn't, I told him what would happen. I told him what he could do. He took action, that is /all/ on him. My part in it was the fact that I told him that he should do something to get away from the situation. I was the person who told him the he needs to get away from the computer, do something, and find means to calm down. He is the one who took it personally. I am taking responsibility for telling him what was going to happen. Thar posting porn was his own accord. He knew what was coming. My responsibility in this is giving him the idea, nothing more. His responsibility was his own. He got himself banned. I only acted to tell him what would happen, telling him the consequences.

 

Posting porn is clearly a perma-banned. It is always that, has always been. I don't know what rule you are saying is vague when the punishment has always been consistent. If anything, people forget it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

What's wrong with a little leniency Smear? Can I get your reasoning on why you didn't initially wanted clemency

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Once again, despite my own views on permabans (especially in regards to pornographic content being posted) the are methods through which members can return. Rather than making an alt account relatively soon after the ban, as Thar did, they are to contact moderators after a designated time. As I recall, it was a year. If the staff believes the member is fit to rejoin the community, they may have a new account. This already exists.

 

And to be totally honest, posting pornography on a website geared toward minors should absolutely be a bannable offense. Even if they were not in their right mind, if they lack the self control to prevent themselves from taking such actions they should not be a member of the community. Thar acknowledges that what he did was wrong and agrees with the punishment he received. Though mistakes can absolutely be made in whether or not a member should be banned, this really isn't a case of such.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Posting porn is clearly a perma-banned. It is always that, has always been. I don't know what rule you are saying is vague when the punishment has always been consistent. If anything, people forget it.

 

Not necessarily. I'm not sure if you're familiar with hotlink prevention methods, but basically how they tend to work is when an image from a certain site would be posted on say, YCM, there will instead be an image saying "please don't hotlink images from our site, it is discourteous and costs us bandwidth."

 

Back in the day, there was a hotlink prevention method used by degenerate 4chanites that turned a popular emoticon into a literal gaping anus. 

 

As a result, Flame Dragon has technically posted porn on YCM, among other YCMers who otherwise never would. Flame Dragon obviously has an otherwise incredible track record, is the most chill of chill people, and that's why he's a Super Mod today and certainly isn't permabanned. A common sense exception.

 

Thar is an apologetic member who wants to be here, was relatively civil in his time here and very active, friendly, sociable, what have you. He had an episode. I think it's fair to give him a chance. 

 

 

Once again, despite my own views on permabans (especially in regards to pornographic content being posted) the are methods through which members can return. Rather than making an alt account relatively soon after the ban, as Thar did, they are to contact moderators after a designated time. As I recall, it was a year. If the staff believes the member is fit to rejoin the community, they may have a new account. This already exists.

 

If this is the case it certainly isn't made clear. 

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

and in however many months, he can have said chance. Because that is how the rules work. Making exceptions for members with notoriety just warps the rules in their favor.

 

(and not to say he isn't a fantastic guy, but Thar very much has a history with being unstable)

 

Also, that comparison really isn't apt at all. Thar didn't do this on accident. It was a conscious decision, and he knew exactly what the results of it would be.

If this is the case it certainly isn't made clear.

 

it is not clear, which is a problem its own.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Also, that comparison really isn't apt at all. Thar didn't do this on accident. It was a conscious decision, and he knew exactly what the results of it would be.

 

I disagree that he knew exactly what the results of his actions would be, as the eventual result turned out that he'd want to come back.

 

How conscious a decision it was is also more of a question than I think you're making it out to be. When someone is suicidal they're capable of taking desperate actions they otherwise wouldn't in an attempt to find their bearings and make sense of a world that they feel so alienated from. It's heartrending to hear of anyone here in such a dark place, and I think putting those things into context is more important than preventing the virgin eyes here from seeing a digital female nipple. 

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

His goal was to be permanently banned. Whether he changed his mind doesn't change this matter.

 

Have you considered that YCM was, at least in part, a cause of his distress? I have spoken to him since he was banned. It did him a lot of good. If he wants to return, there are avenues for it, but his being banned was an intent he stands with still, despite regretting the method by which he did it.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

His goal was to be permanently banned. Whether he changed his mind doesn't change this matter.

 

Why should that irrational goal thwart his new goal to come back now that he's come back to his senses?

 

If he wants to return, there are avenues for it, but his being banned was an intent he stands with still, despite regretting the method by which he did it.

 

Okay, well I hope he uses them and is respected when he does. 

[Smear]

What's wrong with a little leniency Smear? Can I get your reasoning on why you didn't initially wanted clemency

 

Actually, I was one of the few who wanted leniency for Thar. But considering this happened in my first week as a Moderator, I had less of a say than the other Mods towards Thar's punishment (well more so that I wanted to have less input, considering I had only just started as a Mod). I'm all for giving him another chance.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Actually, I was one of the few who wanted leniency for Thar. But considering this happened in my first week as a Moderator, I had less of a say than the other Mods towards Thar's punishment (well more so that I wanted to have less input, considering I had only just started as a Mod). I'm all for giving him another chance.

My apologies for the misunderstanding then

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

His goal was to be permanently banned. Whether he changed his mind doesn't change this matter.

 

Have you considered that YCM was, at least in part, a cause of his distress? I have spoken to him since he was banned. It did him a lot of good. If he wants to return, there are avenues for it, but his being banned was an intent he stands with still, despite regretting the method by which he did it.

He made a second account during the YCM glitch week, so I was under the impression he wanted to come back. If he's really happy and such, I'm happy for him. But I thought he was being denied the avenues...which seems a bit short sighted given the mental state he was in

 

Basically, what ever makes him feel better, we should do as a community that gained plenty from having him around 

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

He made a second account during the YCM glitch week, so I was under the impression he wanted to come back. If he's really happy and such, I'm happy for him. But I thought he was being denied the avenues...which seems a bit short sighted given the mental state he was in

 

Basically, what ever makes him feel better, we should do as a community that gained plenty from having him around

 

First off, the process for banned members to return involves a waiting period. If it did not, it would have very little meaning. Thar had only been banned for a short time at that point. He was denied it because that is how it works.

 

Second... Did you even read the post where he revealed himself? He said himself he had moved on, and that him being banned was correct. You are supporting him in something he hasn't even asked for. If he wants to come back in the future, and does so the correct way, more power to him.

 

If you want to actually read what he said, here is a link. Have any of you actually spoken to him? Asked how he was doing? Don't pretend to be a champion for his redemption when you don't even know what is going on.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

First off, the process for banned members to return involves a waiting period. If it did not, it would have very little meaning. Thar had only been banned for a short time at that point. He was denied it because that is how it works.

 

Second... Did you even read the post where he revealed himself? He said himself he had moved on, and that him being banned was correct. You are supporting him in something he hasn't even asked for. If he wants to come back in the future, and does so the correct way, more power to him.

 

If you want to actually read what he said, here is a link. Have any of you actually spoken to him? Asked how he was doing? Don't pretend to be a champion for his redemption when you don't even know what is going on.

I mean I read it, but I haven't talked to him. I got the image that he regretted it, but clearly you seem to think it's not

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

He regretted the offense, but accepted the outcome. He said himself in the post that he was glad he could actually put the community behind him. The post wasn't calling for a repeal. And, once again, even if it was, it was doing so by breaking the forum rules (creating an alternate account to evade punishment). Rewarding such sets a poor precedent. Whether the staff properly expressed how his ban could eventually be repealed or not, creating said account could be considered an offense its own, and was done in a much clearer state of mind.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Stormtrout really is a cool name.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Stormtrout really is a cool name.

Agreed on that front.

[Simping For Hina]

EDIT: We did. Bye.