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[EHN.]

Sequel that has failed HORRIBLY:

 

Karate Kid 2 & 3

 

COMPLETELY ruined the plot.

 

It's a lot easier to name sequels that have succeeded rather than ones that have flopped.

 

*That is' date=' the list would be a lot shorter.

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Yeah that is a point >.<

[Cloister]

I am not reffering to comic books, I just say that most sequels simply fail

[ragnarok1945]

tell me Tomtekorv, which sequels have you found that didn't fail that were NOT of comic book origins?

[Dissonance]

tell me Tomtekorv' date=' which sequels have you found that didn't fail that were NOT of comic book origins?

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Toy Story 2 ftw.

[ragnarok1945]

which makes me wonder how Toy Story 3 will turn out

[Cloister]

Well, Saw, PotC, Star Wars

to mention some of them, but there are a lot of movies that did fail, like Shrek 2 and 3

[ragnarok1945]

I only saw the first Shrek

 

which makes me wonder how well the 4th one will turn out to be

[Cloister]

I am not even going to see it, I wasn't a big fan of shrek anyway

But a lot of low budget movies, thrillers like "Ghostbusters" (which is in fact a good movie) but some others gets sequels, which turn out to be crap

[EHN.]

I only saw the first Shrek

 

which makes me wonder how well the 4th one will turn out to be

 

I saw all of them so far. The 4th seems fail.

 

Also is Avatar gonna be a trilogy or just have a sequel?

[Cloister]

well I hope it won't have anything, but that is not going to happen

Though a sequel wouldn't be THAT bad, but I did not love the first one

[PokeMaster Calvin]

Avatar is the 3rd best money making movie of all time already. It knocked Star Wars Episode IV back to 4th. Titanic (Cameron's other movie) is 1st. Avatar was an amazing movie. It deserves 5 stars.

[ragnarok1945]

I actually never felt Ep 4 of Starwars ranked THAT high anyway

[Cloister]

I like Star wars, but I think I have never seen a WHOLE movie (4, 5 and 6) in one moment, seen some parts from them now and then

[PokeMaster Calvin]

episode 4 was a huge hit actually.

[Brushfire]

Episode 4 (or 1 at the time) was the biggest thing when it first came out.

[ragnarok1945]

Did it go downhill as the series progressed at that time?

[Dissonance]

Avatar is the 3rd best money making movie of all time already. It knocked Star Wars Episode IV back to 4th. Titanic (Cameron's other movie) is 1st. Avatar was an amazing movie. It deserves 5 stars.

 

Stupid reasons for it being a good movie.

 

The generic plot and poor characterization makes this movie alright, at best. I appreciate the word Cameron created, but the movie itself is ok, at best.

 

Just as graphics don't make games, they don't make movies either.

[ragnarok1945]

which is a major contrast to the Avatar game, which half the people I know said it sucked

[Brushfire]

Did it go downhill as the series progressed at that time?

 

Avatar is the 3rd best money making movie of all time already. It knocked Star Wars Episode IV back to 4th. Titanic (Cameron's other movie) is 1st. Avatar was an amazing movie. It deserves 5 stars.

 

Stupid reasons for it being a good movie.

 

The generic plot and poor characterization makes this movie alright' date=' at best. I appreciate the word Cameron created, but the movie itself is ok, at best.

 

Just as graphics don't make games, they don't make movies either.

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Who are you, new member? You're intelligent. :3

 

And that's questionable. Just as with a game, now that I've got used to things with brilliant graphics it's hard to go back. However, with movies that's different, I can easily go back and watch films like The Italian Job (1965) as it's brilliant. The graphics (especially in 3D) make Avatar brilliant to watch- but as a film? No, it's not unique and it's not great.

 

The Screenplay was wrote over 10 years ago, though.

[Dissonance]

Did it go downhill as the series progressed at that time?

 

Avatar is the 3rd best money making movie of all time already. It knocked Star Wars Episode IV back to 4th. Titanic (Cameron's other movie) is 1st. Avatar was an amazing movie. It deserves 5 stars.

 

Stupid reasons for it being a good movie.

 

The generic plot and poor characterization makes this movie alright' date=' at best. I appreciate the word Cameron created, but the movie itself is ok, at best.

 

Just as graphics don't make games, they don't make movies either.

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Who are you, new member? You're intelligent. :3

 

And that's questionable. Just as with a game, now that I've got used to things with brilliant graphics it's hard to go back. However, with movies that's different, I can easily go back and watch films like The Italian Job (1965) as it's brilliant. The graphics (especially in 3D) make Avatar brilliant to watch- but as a film? No, it's not unique and it's not great.

 

The Screenplay was wrote over 10 years ago, though.

 

There are very few games I can't go back to and still think they absolutely rock. In fact, the only game that comes to mind is Mario Kart 64 (mainly because I can no longer tell where the road is). Every other game, going back to those wonderful sprites on the SNES are still as fantastic as they were the day the were made. I could play Chrono Trigger and Mana 3 until I died. You know why? Awesome stories. Awesome characters. Awesome gameplay.

 

Plus, with 11-ish years to work on it, you would think Cameron could have come up with a better plotline.

[Brushfire]

Did it go downhill as the series progressed at that time?

 

Avatar is the 3rd best money making movie of all time already. It knocked Star Wars Episode IV back to 4th. Titanic (Cameron's other movie) is 1st. Avatar was an amazing movie. It deserves 5 stars.

 

Stupid reasons for it being a good movie.

 

The generic plot and poor characterization makes this movie alright' date=' at best. I appreciate the word Cameron created, but the movie itself is ok, at best.

 

Just as graphics don't make games, they don't make movies either.

[/quote']

 

Who are you, new member? You're intelligent. :3

 

And that's questionable. Just as with a game, now that I've got used to things with brilliant graphics it's hard to go back. However, with movies that's different, I can easily go back and watch films like The Italian Job (1965) as it's brilliant. The graphics (especially in 3D) make Avatar brilliant to watch- but as a film? No, it's not unique and it's not great.

 

The Screenplay was wrote over 10 years ago, though.

 

There are very few games I can't go back to and still think they absolutely rock. In fact, the only game that comes to mind is Mario Kart 64 (mainly because I can no longer tell where the road is). Every other game, going back to those wonderful sprites on the SNES are still as fantastic as they were the day the were made. I could play Chrono Trigger and Mana 3 until I died. You know why? Awesome stories. Awesome characters. Awesome gameplay.

 

Plus, with 11-ish years to work on it, you would think Cameron could have come up with a better plotline.

 

There's nothing wrong with having both, it's not difficult to have both good graphics and gameplay and characters, though. A prime one that comes to mind with what you said would be Mario Kart Wii. Alright, as it's Nintendo that wasn't a great example as it's not that much better, but it's got a good improvement on the graphics and gameplay either way. A game I can note wouldn't be same if it didn't have it's mixture of brilliant graphics, gameplay and plot would be Assassin's Creed, which is simply amazing in everything but it's fighting system. It's hard for me to go back to a game like GTA1 on the PS1 after playing something as amazing as GTA4. Okay, the contrast may be a bit extreme but it's true.

 

And either way, once the final version is wrote, most don't then go back and edit. He had his idea in mind those 11 years ago, and he kept it until the present day. I doubt he felt an obligation to go back and edit because some other guys have already used the idea.

[Dissonance]

Did it go downhill as the series progressed at that time?

 

Avatar is the 3rd best money making movie of all time already. It knocked Star Wars Episode IV back to 4th. Titanic (Cameron's other movie) is 1st. Avatar was an amazing movie. It deserves 5 stars.

 

Stupid reasons for it being a good movie.

 

The generic plot and poor characterization makes this movie alright' date=' at best. I appreciate the word Cameron created, but the movie itself is ok, at best.

 

Just as graphics don't make games, they don't make movies either.

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Who are you, new member? You're intelligent. :3

 

And that's questionable. Just as with a game, now that I've got used to things with brilliant graphics it's hard to go back. However, with movies that's different, I can easily go back and watch films like The Italian Job (1965) as it's brilliant. The graphics (especially in 3D) make Avatar brilliant to watch- but as a film? No, it's not unique and it's not great.

 

The Screenplay was wrote over 10 years ago, though.

 

There are very few games I can't go back to and still think they absolutely rock. In fact, the only game that comes to mind is Mario Kart 64 (mainly because I can no longer tell where the road is). Every other game, going back to those wonderful sprites on the SNES are still as fantastic as they were the day the were made. I could play Chrono Trigger and Mana 3 until I died. You know why? Awesome stories. Awesome characters. Awesome gameplay.

 

Plus, with 11-ish years to work on it, you would think Cameron could have come up with a better plotline.

 

There's nothing wrong with having both, it's not difficult to have both good graphics and gameplay and characters, though. A prime one that comes to mind with what you said would be Mario Kart Wii. Alright, as it's Nintendo that wasn't a great example as it's not that much better, but it's got a good improvement on the graphics and gameplay either way. A game I can note wouldn't be same if it didn't have it's mixture of brilliant graphics, gameplay and plot would be Assassin's Creed, which is simply amazing in everything but it's fighting system. It's hard for me to go back to a game like GTA1 on the PS1 after playing something as amazing as GTA4. Okay, the contrast may be a bit extreme but it's true.

 

And either way, once the final version is wrote, most don't then go back and edit. He had his idea in mind those 11 years ago, and he kept it until the present day. I doubt he felt an obligation to go back and edit because some other guys have already used the idea.

 

I'm not saying we have to throw graphics out the window. By all means, I love watching shiny detailed characters killing other equally shiny detailed characters on my tv. I'm just saying graphics should never take the precedence when judging anything's value.

 

Some movies that people compare Avatar to:

Dances with Wolves (1990)

Ferngully (1992)

Pocahontas (1995)

 

All of them are before when Cameron wrote his screenplay. He really doesn't have much of an excuse for having such a generic story or flat characters. He spent all his time creating the world without much thought of the story that was to take place in it.

[Cloister]

andand that is why the movie ISN'T that great, the plot is not that special

[Brushfire]

Did it go downhill as the series progressed at that time?

 

Avatar is the 3rd best money making movie of all time already. It knocked Star Wars Episode IV back to 4th. Titanic (Cameron's other movie) is 1st. Avatar was an amazing movie. It deserves 5 stars.

 

Stupid reasons for it being a good movie.

 

The generic plot and poor characterization makes this movie alright' date=' at best. I appreciate the word Cameron created, but the movie itself is ok, at best.

 

Just as graphics don't make games, they don't make movies either.

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Who are you, new member? You're intelligent. :3

 

And that's questionable. Just as with a game, now that I've got used to things with brilliant graphics it's hard to go back. However, with movies that's different, I can easily go back and watch films like The Italian Job (1965) as it's brilliant. The graphics (especially in 3D) make Avatar brilliant to watch- but as a film? No, it's not unique and it's not great.

 

The Screenplay was wrote over 10 years ago, though.

 

There are very few games I can't go back to and still think they absolutely rock. In fact, the only game that comes to mind is Mario Kart 64 (mainly because I can no longer tell where the road is). Every other game, going back to those wonderful sprites on the SNES are still as fantastic as they were the day the were made. I could play Chrono Trigger and Mana 3 until I died. You know why? Awesome stories. Awesome characters. Awesome gameplay.

 

Plus, with 11-ish years to work on it, you would think Cameron could have come up with a better plotline.

 

There's nothing wrong with having both, it's not difficult to have both good graphics and gameplay and characters, though. A prime one that comes to mind with what you said would be Mario Kart Wii. Alright, as it's Nintendo that wasn't a great example as it's not that much better, but it's got a good improvement on the graphics and gameplay either way. A game I can note wouldn't be same if it didn't have it's mixture of brilliant graphics, gameplay and plot would be Assassin's Creed, which is simply amazing in everything but it's fighting system. It's hard for me to go back to a game like GTA1 on the PS1 after playing something as amazing as GTA4. Okay, the contrast may be a bit extreme but it's true.

 

And either way, once the final version is wrote, most don't then go back and edit. He had his idea in mind those 11 years ago, and he kept it until the present day. I doubt he felt an obligation to go back and edit because some other guys have already used the idea.

 

I'm not saying we have to throw graphics out the window. By all means, I love watching shiny detailed characters killing other equally shiny detailed characters on my tv. I'm just saying graphics should never take the precedence when judging anything's value.

 

Some movies that people compare Avatar to:

Dances with Wolves (1990)

Ferngully (1992)

Pocahontas (1995)

 

All of them are before when Cameron wrote his screenplay. He really doesn't have much of an excuse for having such a generic story or flat characters. He spent all his time creating the world without much thought of the story that was to take place in it.

 

Well, I can't deny that you make a valid and strong point. The plot was never very diverse, or even original. The first thing I noticed is that it seemingly took ideas from loads of other things. I said it earlier in this thread that I thought it was: Halo (weapons + vehicles, I mean one actually IS a Hornet), WoW (Na'vi look like Night Elves and have similar storyline's around them, plus abilities) & Assassin's Creed (that machine looks and acts like an Animus...).

 

I didn't realise how similar it was to Pocahontas until it was posted here, having never seen it myself, either. I still think the world is amazing, and the plot isn't great. The good thing is that the world is now open to everything else, meaning if I was interested I could read lots of interesting fan-fiction.

[Dissonance]

Did it go downhill as the series progressed at that time?

 

Avatar is the 3rd best money making movie of all time already. It knocked Star Wars Episode IV back to 4th. Titanic (Cameron's other movie) is 1st. Avatar was an amazing movie. It deserves 5 stars.

 

Stupid reasons for it being a good movie.

 

The generic plot and poor characterization makes this movie alright' date=' at best. I appreciate the word Cameron created, but the movie itself is ok, at best.

 

Just as graphics don't make games, they don't make movies either.

[/quote']

 

Who are you, new member? You're intelligent. :3

 

And that's questionable. Just as with a game, now that I've got used to things with brilliant graphics it's hard to go back. However, with movies that's different, I can easily go back and watch films like The Italian Job (1965) as it's brilliant. The graphics (especially in 3D) make Avatar brilliant to watch- but as a film? No, it's not unique and it's not great.

 

The Screenplay was wrote over 10 years ago, though.

 

There are very few games I can't go back to and still think they absolutely rock. In fact, the only game that comes to mind is Mario Kart 64 (mainly because I can no longer tell where the road is). Every other game, going back to those wonderful sprites on the SNES are still as fantastic as they were the day the were made. I could play Chrono Trigger and Mana 3 until I died. You know why? Awesome stories. Awesome characters. Awesome gameplay.

 

Plus, with 11-ish years to work on it, you would think Cameron could have come up with a better plotline.

 

There's nothing wrong with having both, it's not difficult to have both good graphics and gameplay and characters, though. A prime one that comes to mind with what you said would be Mario Kart Wii. Alright, as it's Nintendo that wasn't a great example as it's not that much better, but it's got a good improvement on the graphics and gameplay either way. A game I can note wouldn't be same if it didn't have it's mixture of brilliant graphics, gameplay and plot would be Assassin's Creed, which is simply amazing in everything but it's fighting system. It's hard for me to go back to a game like GTA1 on the PS1 after playing something as amazing as GTA4. Okay, the contrast may be a bit extreme but it's true.

 

And either way, once the final version is wrote, most don't then go back and edit. He had his idea in mind those 11 years ago, and he kept it until the present day. I doubt he felt an obligation to go back and edit because some other guys have already used the idea.

 

I'm not saying we have to throw graphics out the window. By all means, I love watching shiny detailed characters killing other equally shiny detailed characters on my tv. I'm just saying graphics should never take the precedence when judging anything's value.

 

Some movies that people compare Avatar to:

Dances with Wolves (1990)

Ferngully (1992)

Pocahontas (1995)

 

All of them are before when Cameron wrote his screenplay. He really doesn't have much of an excuse for having such a generic story or flat characters. He spent all his time creating the world without much thought of the story that was to take place in it.

 

Well, I can't deny that you make a valid and strong point. The plot was never very diverse, or even original. The first thing I noticed is that it seemingly took ideas from loads of other things. I said it earlier in this thread that I thought it was: Halo (weapons + vehicles, I mean one actually IS a Hornet), WoW (Na'vi look like Night Elves and have similar storyline's around them, plus abilities) & Assassin's Creed (that machine looks and acts like an Animus...).

 

I didn't realise how similar it was to Pocahontas until it was posted here, having never seen it myself, either. I still think the world is amazing, and the plot isn't great. The good thing is that the world is now open to everything else, meaning if I was interested I could read lots of interesting fan-fiction.

 

You realize that things in Halo, WoW, and Assassin's Creed aren't completely original either? Hover-copters with rotator wings have been around for ages. Elves...are elves. Dozens upon dozens of slightly different variations. I haven't played AC so I don't know what Anumis is.

 

Yes, Avatar's strongest point is the expanded universe of Pandora. I expect to see work based around Pandora that hasn't been seen since the likes of Star Wars.