Chaos Pudding Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Forbidden: Monsters:BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNINGBLACK ROSE DRAGONBLACKWING - VAYU THE EMBLEM OF HONORBRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIERCHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE ENDCHAOS SORCERERCYBER DRAGONCYBER END DRAGONCYBER JARCYBER-STEINCYBER TWIN DRAGONDARK ARMED DRAGONDARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOSDARK STRIKE FIGHTERDEMISE, KING OF ARMAGEDDONDESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDERELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONEFIBER JARGLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUSGORZ THE EMISSARY OF DARKNESSHONESTJUDGMENT DRAGONMAGICAL SCIENTISTMAKYURA THE DESTRUCTORMEZUKIMIND MASTERMORPHING JARPLAGUESPREADER ZOMBIERESCUE CATSANGANSINISTER SERPENTSNIPE HUNTERSUBSTITOADTEMPEST MAGICIANTHOUSAND-EYES RESTRICTTRAGOEDIATREEBORN FROG TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUSTRISHULA, DRAGON OF THE ICE BOUNDARY VICTORY DRAGONWITCH OF THE BLACK FORESTXX-SABER FAULTROLLYATA-GARASU Spells:BLACK WHIRLWINDBRAIN CONTROLBUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMACARD DESTRUCTIONCARD OF SAFE RETURNCHAIN STRIKECHANGE OF HEARTCOLD WAVECONFISCATIONDARK HOLEDELINQUENT DUODIMENSION FUSIONGRACEFUL CHARITYGOLD SARCOPHAGUSHARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTERINFERNITY LAUNCHERLAST WILLLIMITER REMOVALMEGAMORPHMIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE MONSTER REBORNPAINFUL CHOICEPOT OF GREEDPREMATURE BURIALRAIGEKISNATCH STEALTHE FORCEFUL SENTRYUNITED WE STAND Traps:CALL OF THE HAUNTEDCRUSH CARD VIRUSEXCHANGE OF THE SPIRITIMPERIAL ORDER LAST TURNMAGICAL EXPLOSIONMAGIC CYLINDER MIRROR FORCERETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONRING OF DESTRUCTIONSOLEMN JUDGMENTSTARLIGHT ROADTIME SEALTRAP DUSTSHOOTULTIMATE OFFERING Limited: Monsters:DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUSSPIRIT REAPERNIGHT ASSAILANT NECROFACEMARSHMALLON Spells:HEAVY STORM LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B Traps:GRAVITY BIND Semi-Limited:Monsters:CARD TROOPER What did I miss? And what is in a place that doesn't make sense? Almost all of the Limited cards I left Limited were because I wasn't sure what to do with them, so any help in that regard would be great. Alright, time to deal with stall. What should be done with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Rrey Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Is Mind Crush unlimited?? : oSince when Gorz is worth the banishment, it helps a lot nowadays.Charge at 3 is also awesome x DInfernity Archfiend/Launcher should be at 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted July 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Is Mind Crush unlimited?? : oSince when Gorz is worth the banishment, it helps a lot nowadays.Charge at 3 is also awesome x D If it's not on any list, then it's at 3. Gorz has always been banworthy. Stop thinking about the current format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I'm still not satisfied with how these lists handle stall. 1 LLAB + 1 Gravity Bind + 1 Marshmallon + 3 Messenger of Peace + 1 Spirit Reaper + 1 Marshmallon + 3 The Fool is just completely arbitrary. As for the other Limited cards, Mezuki can go to 0 - it's just stupid free advantage - and Lumina can go to 3 - it's just a Zombie Master with less ATK. Celestia and Wulf are the Lightlords' problems with Judgment Dragoon gone, not Lumina. A "New! The following cards are no longer Limited" section would be nice, just to make finding things easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Sir Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Why not just ban Malicious? Trooper at 2, Celestia at 3, Wulf at 3, Foolish Burial at 3, Necro Gardna at 3. Yep, still serious LS running around and doing a crap-ton of damage. Mezuki at 1 is fine but not with Burial at 3, tbh. Machine Duplication is fine at 3, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Why is Sengan B&? O,o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Why not just ban Malicious? Why ban Malicious? Why not just ban Larvae Moth? Machine Duplication is fine at 3, then? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Ban Wulf or GTFO. Seriously, if you are going to make bad 3-0 lists, at least do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted July 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Updated the list a bit. And a "these cards are no longer Limited" list is forthcoming as soon as I get time. Ban Wulf or GTFO. Seriously, if you are going to make bad 3-0 lists, at least do it right. I don't even play YGO anymore, brah. The entire list is built off of my memories of when I used to play, with Faultroll and Substitoad being the only cards that I haven't had any problems with back when I was still playing being banworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Dont these 3-0 lists usually contain Starlight Road?That, or arent like all the generic Synchros B&? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 3x Vayu is 3 cards too many IMO. A free 2300 beatstick when you manage to get it and Sirrocco into the grave, not helped by the fact there's an archetype dedicated entirely to milling itself, or that Burial from a Dif. Dim. is at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted July 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 3x Vayu is 3 cards too many IMO. A free 2300 beatstick when you manage to get it and Sirrocco into the grave, not helped by the fact there's an archetype dedicated entirely to milling itself. Aw **** Vayu. That's gone, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 STARDUST ROAD StarLIGHT Road <_< Why is United We Stand a problem, but not Mage Power? Both can boost attack by stupid amounts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 StarLIGHT Road <_< Why is United We Stand a problem, but not Mage Power? Both can boost attack by stupid amounts...Me thinks its because Scapegoat, Magician of Faith, and Dandylion are all@3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted July 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 StarLIGHT Road <_< Why is United We Stand a problem, but not Mage Power? Both can boost attack by stupid amounts... Because S/T are inherently easier to destroy than monsters are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I like it, nice an minimal. Why is lumina at one (if it's because of the loop, Zombie master should also be at one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Ban Wulf or GTFO. Seriously, if you are going to make bad 3-0 lists, at least do it right. I've seen that thrown around a lot without any real convincing reasoning to accompany it. Why does Wulf need to be banned? A few things. Why does Honest need to be banned if I may ask? It is essentially an improved Shrink for LIGHT monsters. If the fact it can stack is a problem, wouldn't it being at 1 make sense in this specific case or is there something else I'm not seeing? Mezuki should go to 0 since it is an easy Type-specific +1. With Lumina, all it is, is a Zombie Master for Lightsworns with less ATK and a less restrictive discard cost. It itself is balanced. With Card of Safe Return rightfully banned, there is no Driver Looping that can happen so I think it can go to 3. EDIT: I would also like to know how you're going to deal with Infernities on this list. A consistent OTK is not good for the game. Archfiend or Launcher must go. Since Archfiend gives more to the game than an archetype-specific double Monster Reborn, Launcher should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Glads are Tier 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted August 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Glads are Tier 1. Ah crap, forgot to ban Gyzarus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 :P Also, Infernities and Celestia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Torrential Tribute is @ 3? I'm not sure about that. Ah, and perhaps Gladiator Beast Heraklinos might find a place on this list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted August 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Alright, now to deal with stall. Like salty said, having some stall be at 1 while other stall be at 3 seems odd, so what should be done? Torrential Tribute is @ 3? I'm not sure about that. Ah, and perhaps Gladiator Beast Heraklinos might find a place on this list? I've played many a format with Torrential at 3, and it's never caused any problems. Actually, it's solved quite a few problems by itself, mainly swarming with stuff like SixSam and Gadgets. Gyzarus seems to be enough to balance Glad Beasts. If not, then I'm willing to do testing to find out what does. Re:Celestia - I'm not convinced that she's as big of a problem without Wulf and J-Dragon, but I'm willing to test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Torrential Tribute is @ 3? I'm not sure about that. Ah, and perhaps Gladiator Beast Heraklinos might find a place on this list? Torrential Tribute isn't a problem at 3 despite the way it's worded. If both players are playing properly, at best it would pretty much be on par with Bottomless Trap Hole and that has no business being at anything other than 3. Heraklinos itself is balanced. Gyzarus is the problem. EDIT: Beaten. I'd still like to know what you're going to do about Infernities though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Alright, now to deal with stall. Like salty said, having some stall be at 1 while other stall be at 3 seems odd, so what should be done?I guess just put The Fool and Messenger of Peace @ 1, alongside Spirit Reaper, Level Limit, and so on. Heraklinos itself is balanced. Gyzarus is the problem.Really? Well, I don't like Gyzarus much either, but it at least can be recovered from. Heraklinos with a plentiful hand pretty well controls the duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted August 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 But having a bunch of cards at 1 kinda defeats the purpose of a 3-0 list. I would rather there be more balanced mass S/T destruction so I could put all the S/T stall at 3, or decide that stall as a strategy is bad for the game and ban it all. And Launcher is now banned, so there goes Infernities. Re:Herk - Without Gyzarus, there isn't really a consistent way for GladBeasts to even get to Herk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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