Resident Fascist Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I run a card at 3 and never draw it. I run a card at 1 and draw it every game. My opponents constantly topdeck what they want and I never get anything. Explain? BLS either can't do math or DN is bugged, the admins won't fix any of it and instead plug their ears with "olollolool build dek better" I'm not talking about decks, I'm talking about how you draw Solemn Judgment every game. EVERY.DAMN.GAME. It seems like some cards have a higher draw ratio for some unknown reason. Case and point: Solemn Warning. I sort of suggest DN Admins unplug their ears and do something about it -.- DN just defies maths. I highly doubt DN even has a basic maths program for it. It probably determines if it should screw you over or not. I'd certianly be interesting to see if BLS released the hand/draw code. anyway, discuss Online playing vs real life play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Your luck sucks. Last game I used Sangan to add Dandylion to my hand, expecting to use it for 1 for 1 fodder and go Formula. Topdecked Quickdraw and instead went for Nitro/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1321904270' post='5657255'] Your luck sucks. Last game I used Sangan to add Dandylion to my hand, expecting to use it for 1 for 1 fodder and go Formula. Topdecked Quickdraw and instead went for Nitro/ [/quote] I went on a 15 win streak, each time my topdecks getting worse. Then lost 4 times in a row even with my topdecks getting better. ... wut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Try writing your own random hand algorithm before you complain about theirs. [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Welche' timestamp='1321904431' post='5657261'] Try writing your own random hand algorithm before you complain about theirs. [/thread] [/quote] lol, that isn't even the topic. IRL or Online play is the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecha Love Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Not quite hand, but once I used Ryko, and managed to mill 3 tengu's. That's just bad coicidence. And yeah, I play some cards in decks, never draw them.... change them... always draw the changes > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I've heard claims that the algorithim is screwy and somehow based on alphabetical order or something. I honestly don't know how the shuffle code works, but if it's not random and is actually some weird pattern, it explains a lot while being REALLY weird. Random number generator and random shuffle of an array is one of the more basic programming exercises one learns. Many languages have it as a very simple function with just a few lines of code. Therefore, I find it slightly unlikely that a more complex, faulty version was used in place of a randomizer. However, I will note that my Rabbit deck VERY consistently opens with Rabbit and/or Tour Guide. Not every time, but often enough to the point where I'm amused and pity my opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 IRL is way more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Thunder End Dragon' timestamp='1321904544' post='5657265'] Not quite hand, but once I used Ryko, and managed to mill 3 tengu's. That's just bad coicidence. [/quote] Best mill I've managed to pull with a Ryko in the past month is 1 Veiler. There have been times where I'll mill Dandy, Bulb AND Spore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Thunder End Dragon' timestamp='1321904544' post='5657265'] Not quite hand, but once I used Ryko, and managed to mill 3 tengu's. That's just bad coicidence. And yeah, I play some cards in decks, never draw them.... change them... always draw the changes > [/quote] DN has had a messed up alogorithim for a while. Like they gave solemn warning some idiotic draw priority it seems. I almost always draw it not that I mind, It just HAPPENS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizuku Oikawa Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Well, you could always rearrange the Deck, to see if you get better results in drawing on DN, since everybody always hits the Sort Deck Button. Not sure, haven't dueled in a while irl to see how my drawing usually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Shard' timestamp='1321904384' post='5657257'] I went on a 15 win streak, each time my topdecks getting worse. Then lost 4 times in a row even with my topdecks getting better. ... wut [/quote] That's RNG for ya. Seriously, that's what it is. The numbers simply don't agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I should ply my 60 CTH and keep track of all the hands I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1321904777' post='5657278'] I should ply my 60 CTH and keep track of all the hands I get. [/quote] I might note down my hands, too. See if I can see any patterns. and I just realised your avi is ragna, lol 100 Games should be enough, should I also put the result down too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 In any case, I prefer playing Online. + More opponents + More cards, including OCG only + Cheaper + More Deck vs RL - Harder to find opponents - Lower cardpool, limited to wat you actually have - Uber expensive to get money cards - Getting specific cards can be a nightmare, and you can't usually play different decks on a whim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1321905049' post='5657290'] In any case, I prefer playing Online. + More opponents + More cards, including OCG only + Cheaper + More Deck vs RL - Harder to find opponents - Lower cardpool, limited to wat you actually have - Uber expensive to get money cards - Getting specific cards can be a nightmare, and you can't usually play different decks on a whim [/quote] My thoughts on the given topic exactly. As for your luck... shut up. It's coincidence. I for one haven't ever noticed drawing or topdecking any cards consistently or inconsistently (my bitching about in the YCM legends about Gate was just a joke and overexaggerating, odds were against it) and the system seems entirely at random. I actually prefer DN's shuffle compared to real life, since it's an entirely random shuffle and you can't pseudo-stack combo cards together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetie Belle Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Note: [quote name=The Detonator]Provide statistical evidence that the shuffler is skewed and we can take the thread seriously. [/quote] If you can show, with NUMBAHZ, that certain cards have a significantly higher chance of being drawn, that will mean the algorithm is messed up. If not, shut up. Because I never have problems with it. I get a bad hand occasionally, but it never slows me down. It's always different; never once have I drawn the same hand. IRL, shuffling tends to give me the same results, since when I'm not dueling, I organize my deck by alphabet. I'm just kind of OCD about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 It just annoys me. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetie Belle Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 That would be your fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Shard' timestamp='1321906385' post='5657317'] It just annoys me. >_> [/quote] Except the blame might not be on the hand algorithm :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Am I the only one that notices: We're given a free, download-less, constantly updated Yugioh simulator... and all some people can do is b**** about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1321906566' post='5657325'] We're given a free, download-less, constantly updated Yugioh simulator... and all some people can do is b**** about it... [/quote] Shard has a stick up his nether area 24/7, the hell do you except him to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Honestly, in all fairness, YGO Online's Deck Drawing/Shuffling system is WAAAYYY worse than DN's. I once played PoD which revealed a Salvage, Salvage, and Evigishki Soul Ogre. I add Soul Ogre to hand (which at this point shuffles the Deck). I then play Hand Destruction, getting rid of my Ceremonial Mirror and Soul Ogre. Guess what two cards I drew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 hand 5 monster, they flip morphing jar, 5 traps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1321906566' post='5657325'] Am I the only one that notices: We're given a free, download-less, constantly updated Yugioh simulator... and all some people can do is b**** about it... [/quote] You're not alone. I think people exaggerate when they lose or have to blame something because losing is so unacceptable. Maybe DN doesn't shuffle weird, but you do irl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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