byak Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Forbidden: Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning Card Destruction Future Fusion Gateway of the Six Leviair the Sea Dragon Pot of Avarice Wind-Up Hunter Limited: Evolzar Laggia Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World Inzektor Centipede Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon Rekindling Spirit Reaper Tsukuyomi Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity Semilimited: Book of Moon Lonefire Blossom Rescue Rabbit Tour Guide From the Underworld Wind-Up Factory Unlimited: Debris Dragon Destiny Draw Formula Synchron Gladiator Beast Bestiari Marshmallon Shien's Smoke Signal I'll post my logics later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 konami please hire byakk to make banlists. Only "da fuq?" thing I see is rekindling, but lavals do top in le OCG, so /ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Forbidden +Future Fusion Limited +Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I like this list because no 2 people have the same banlist and it actually makes vast degrees of sense. Hurry up with those logics. Also keeping Brio and banning Fufu is essentially the same thing except now we no longer have to nominate Sirius as best level 6, so agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='byakklon Omega' timestamp='1330551880' post='5848254'] Forbidden +Future Fusion Limited +Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon [/quote] why? :'( not hieroglyphs! I only just started playing them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Best banlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Hey look! A list that will actually make glads good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 >Limit Laggia >Rabbit's the problem /ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1330552985' post='5848305'] >Limit Laggia >Rabbit's the problem /ok [/quote] Ctrl+F Rescue Rabbit Semi looks good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I'm being dumb, why is Leviair@0? You have Tourguide and Rabbit@2. so it seems a little random. Though Debris@3 again seems hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330553025' post='5848308'] Ctrl+F Rescue Rabbit Semi looks good to me [/quote] [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1330552985' post='5848305'] [b]>Limit Laggia[/b] >Rabbit's the problem /ok [/quote] Seems dumb to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 No, Rabbit promotes cool decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='Welche' timestamp='1330553254' post='5848317'] No, Rabbit promotes cool decks. [/quote] Rabbit promotes +0 Xyz and abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1330553050' post='5848310'] Seems dumb to me. [/quote] Evols gain a lot of potential in this format with Book@2 and Tsuku@1 also Leviair is the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 No Leviair means you can use it twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Wouldn't Snoww being limited make more sense then Grapha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Rabbit is one of those cards that was meant for fun, casual play, and then someone noticed Sabersaurus was food for Laggia, so Konami played along and also released that Verz vanilla. It's a case of where a fun card accidentally made a top deck and so it became a problem card. Also byak wanted to shoot Dark Worlds even though Snoww @1 and Card Destruction @0 would already do some damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 No because Snoww makes the deck playable, Grapha is a +1 boss monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='byakklon Omega' timestamp='1330553314' post='5848323'] Evols gain a lot of potential in this format with Book@2 and Tsuku@1 also Leviair is the problem [/quote] also Jurrac Guaiba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='byakklon Omega' timestamp='1330551589' post='5848241'] Forbidden: Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning Card Destruction Future Fusion Gateway of the Six Leviair the Sea Dragon Pot of Avarice Wind-Up Hunter Limited: Evolzar Laggia Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World Inzektor Centipede Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon Rekindling Spirit Reaper Tsukuyomi Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity Semilimited: Book of Moon Lonefire Blossom Rescue Rabbit Tour Guide From the Underworld Wind-Up Factory Unlimited: Debris Dragon Destiny Draw Formula Synchron Gladiator Beast Bestiari Marshmallon Shien's Smoke Signal I'll post my logics later. [/quote] Here's my response for each: [b]BLS[/b]: this should have never come back. The fact that it's still in the format is beyond me, so this format would make me happy. [b]Card Destruction[/b]: ...okay. I think limiting Grapha might have been enough to kill Dark Worlds since they are so easy to side against. I don't really see much of a point of banning this. [b]Future Fusion[/b]: Agree completely. Too many combos and, with Elemental HEROes, send 1 E•HERO monster + any monster (once Escuridao is released). [b]Gateway of the Six[/b]: Definitely. Even with 1, there are more spells that can have Bushido. [b]Leviair[/b]: I personally think Rabbit is the offender, but I might be missing something else with Leviair. Last I checked, Infernities weren't good, so I still don't get it. [b]Pot of Avarice[/b]: Quite agree with. It's basically Pot of Greed + benefits nowadays. [b]Wind-Up Hunter[/b]: If you kill their spamming, you don't need to hit this. [b]Evolzar Laggia[/b]: quite agree. Dino Rabbit can still go into Dolkka. [b]Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World[/b]: It's a +1 summon that sets Dark Worlds up to be discarded. Limiting him will make Dark Worlds quite easy to side against and beat. [b]Inzektor Centipede[/b]: wait, why limit this and not hit Hornet? [b]REDMD[/b]: This I quite agree with. [b]Rekindling[/b]: I imagine the good Lavals also have 200 DEF. [b]Spirit Reaper[/b]: deserves it. [b]Tsukuyomi[/b]: I still think a repeatable Book of Moon is ridiculous. I'd like another Book of Moon, but not one like this. [b]Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity[/b]: -Pot of Avarice, -2 Zenmaity. I agree with this, but why ban Hunter? [b]Book of Moon[/b]: I;d say this at 3 and Tsukuyomi stays at 0, to be honest. [b]Lonefire[/b]: becomes a deck thin engine at any higher than 1. I'd say keep it limited. [b]Rescue Rabbit[/b]: well, it's nice to see Rabbit hit somewhere on the list. At least Dino Rabbit is less consistent. [b]Tour Guide[/b]: At 3, you get 2 Xyz. At 2, you get 1 and can save Sangan for something for something important (or use it to search out one of the Guides). Agree completely. [b]Wind-Up Factory[/b]: I have to admit, repeatable Wind-Up RotA sounds way too good. [b]Debris Dragon[/b]: *doesn't see Dandylion banned* Justify this now. [b]D•Draw[/b]: Okay. [b]Formula Synchron[/b]: ...Sure. [b]Gladiator Beast Bestiari[/b]: Are you sure Gladiator Beasts won't take over this meta? [b]Marshmallon[/b]: ...I guess. [b]Shien's Smoke Signal[/b]: *sees Shi En at 1* I guess this is okay. I bet some of my points were ninja'd by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Wind-Ups can still get some advantage from using Emeral and Tour Bus so I'd rather just get Hunter out of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OmegaWave Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 This list........my god, this list makes me very happy. This is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 You should credit byakk in the thread tags well i'm kinda out of the loop on yugioh nowadays so i guess good read would read again 10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I like the idea that Byak takes things from a logical standpoint instead of a biased standpoint. All of the other banlists I have seen thus far have been either biased or totally ignorant. This takes the problems of the metagame, shuts them down, and makes everything better while simultaneously not inflicting mass damage to all of the Decks that don't get the opportunity to be run because everyone is bandwagoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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