Blake Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 I figure this belongs here, but if it belongs in the Deck Discussion section, feel free to move it. I just figured it belongs here because it's a major fator of the OCG and TCG and not a deck discussion. Anyways, due to a recent status where the alarming amount of people ignoring the implications of some cards coming back left me bewildered, I figured we should have a discussion on it. So, discuss the banlist. How it's handled, what cards should move onto/from/up/down the list, and anything else that seems to fit. If someone could get the wiki page that lists all the cards ever on the banlist, for how long, etc. I'd be grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Konami [i]shouldn't[/i] need to have one because they [i]SHOULD [/i]be making balanced cards in the first place. Ah well. Anyways, I think small things like Transmigration, Tsukuyomi, etc. Could be moved up. I'm interested in how Grand Mole, Advanced Ritual Art and Scapegoat would react to being moved up nowadays, though. Grand Mole might become a good anti-everything card, so it might be best to keep it at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Here you have it: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Historic_Forbidden/Limited_Chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 One Day of Peace deserves to be banned. Wind Up Magician either needs to be banned or at 1. Magical Stone Excavation to go at 3. I would love for Cat to come back, but with Uniflora, that is not even an idea worth thinking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 It may be escaping me at the moment, but is there a broken card/combo that forces Formula to be @1? I know it, Librarian, and Fishborg did damage, but I don't see a loop or anything broke with it in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1357513645' post='6113521'] DMoC COULD come back for 1 format just to see. I'm still iffy on that even. Wind Up Magician either needs to be banned or at 1. [/quote] DMoC should stay banned. It isn't something that got less broken with time. Wind Up Magician can still loop at one I believe, so banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Wind-Up Magican should be fine at one. I think the problem with it is that it searches itself. MSE to 3. Dunno why it isnt yet. I want to see Time Seal come back to 1 for one format. Tenki to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Ban Magician. I want to say limit Megaloabyss but idk Merlantean lists, might be fitting to ban it? Or just hit Moulinglacia, since that's a thing. I honestly don't know where Merlanteans get their power. Ban Final Countdown and Exodia. Ban BLS-EotB. Unlimit Chaos Sorcerer. Unlimit Tsukyomi. Unlimit Mirror Force. Unlimit Duality. Ban Tenki. Unlimit Tengu. Semi Bestiari. Ban Gateway of the Six and Infenity Launcher. Ban Honest and Gorz. Ban Kalut and unlimit Gale. Ban Hornet, unlimit D-Fly. Unlimit Book of Moon. Ban Morphing Jar and Card Destruction. Ban PoA. Semi Monster Gate Limit TGU. Should be obvious which I think are realistic and which are personal preference. Any questions then fire away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Fire fist chicken should be at 0 when it comes out. It's a +1 every turn that searches out a method of garnering even more pluses, so it's arguably a +2 every turn. Rabbit and TGU should both be hit to 1. As for Merlans, dragoons and abyssphere should probably each be at 1 or 2, preferably the former. This banlist is certainly a lot better than last format's, but it needs a bit of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Honest could go, but I think Gorz is one of those things called Necessary Evils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 @Chris Unlimit BOM? Not a good idea since Gravekeeper's Spy exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357514237' post='6113531'] Semi Monster Gate [/quote] I'm not so sure I agree with this. I mean, it's not a broken card in it's own right, but I just feel like it's a bit silly at times. Maybe it's just me, I wasn't around before it was hit, so can I get a little explanation? :"o @Spike: Battle Fader and Trag exist. We don't need Gorz around. He's just stupid and creates an unhealthy mind game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Yeah, Gorz is broke, but we need Gorz. He helps stop even worse cards. Chicken can to go fry. Moulinglacia better not get hit or I'll be furious. Tour Guide is fine in my opinion. For now. Do not want 3 Tengu again. I don't see BLS as much as I used to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [quote name='Spike the Bloody' timestamp='1357514308' post='6113533'] Honest could go, but I think Gorz is one of those things called Necessary Evils. [/quote] Gorz isn't a necessary evil. OTKs shouldn't run rampant, and when they're there we have Trag and Fader which are both a million times more fair. [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1357514383' post='6113534'] @Chris Unlimit BOM? Not a good idea since Gravekeeper's Spy exists. [/quote] Did you just use Spy as an argument? And if so, sure it might make GKs good or at least better... what's wrong with that? .-. [quote name='Champion Iris' timestamp='1357514405' post='6113535'] I'm not so sure I agree with this. I mean, it's not a broken card in it's own right, but I just feel like it's a bit silly at times. Maybe it's just me, I wasn't around before it was hit, so can I get a little explanation? :"o [/quote] It's one of those personal preference cards. I love turbo Chaos or any kind of turbo beats as a deck and I'd really like it back. I think 2 Reasoning and 2 Gate are perfectly reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Skill Drain needs to be listed again. The overwhelming prescence of Skill Drain this format while simultaneously being dodged by (or rewarding in some cases) the user's deck and punishing the opponent's deck is really, REALLY irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1357514543' post='6113536'] Yeah, Gorz is broke, but we need Gorz. He helps stop even worse cards. [/quote] A lot of stuff stops OTKs, that doesn't make it acceptable. I'd be glad to see Gorz go, it's incredibly unfair and it can win games on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Until OTKs are no longer a part of the format, Gorz is sticking around. it does suck, but it's the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [quote name='Spike the Bloody' timestamp='1357514803' post='6113541'] Until OTKs are no longer a part of the format, Gorz is sticking around. it does suck, but it's the truth. [/quote] The general idea is to get rid of the OTKs, as well as Gorz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357514237' post='6113531'] Ban Magician. I want to say limit Megaloabyss but idk Merlantean lists, might be fitting to ban it? Or just hit Moulinglacia, since that's a thing. I honestly don't know where Merlanteans get their power. Ban Final Countdown and Exodia. Ban BLS-EotB. [b]I may be a Chaos fanboy, but BLS can wreck a game quickly. So yea, I'll concede here.[/b] Unlimit Chaos Sorcerer. [b]Yes, thank you very much. I'll take this over 1 BLS and 1 Sorc any day.[/b] Unlimit Tsukyomi. Unlimit Mirror Force. [b]With all the S/T hate, I think this is wise. Also, space issues may still make people play only 1 or 2.[/b] Unlimit Duality. [b]Yes please. Why was this semi'd in the first place?[/b] Ban Tenki. Unlimit Tengu. [b]I don't mind if this stays at 2 or goes to 3.[/b] Semi Bestiari. Ban Gateway of the Six and Infenity Launcher. Ban Honest and Gorz. [b]Hand traps like these are a problem. I love them cause they can switch the tide of a duel, but I understand this causes a lot of problems.[/b] Ban Kalut and unlimit Gale. Ban Hornet, unlimit D-Fly. Unlimit Book of Moon. [b]Why is BoM @1? I see no problem with it at all.[/b] Ban Morphing Jar and Card Destruction. [b]Weaken DW? Okay, I'll live with that.[/b] Ban PoA. [b]Recycling PoG needs to go die in a hole, though I admit I benefit from it.[/b] Semi Monster Gate Limit TGU. [b]No more R3 engine? Okay, I guess.[/b] Should be obvious which I think are realistic and which are personal preference. Any questions then fire away. [/quote] My thoughts on this, and I have little problem with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357514659' post='6113537'] It's one of those personal preference cards. I love turbo Chaos or any kind of turbo beats as a deck and I'd really like it back. I think 2 Reasoning and 2 Gate are perfectly reasonable. [/quote] Makes sense. Reasoning hasn't been running around insanely, so I can't say this would really hurt things too much. In time, I think Chateu should be hit. It's s*** design and in time could easily wind up being broken. If you want to make the argument Madolche's would be terrible then, good. Decks don't need to live due to one badly designed card. Majoliene or however is spelled needs to go to at least one. It searches itself and loops too from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357514237' post='6113531'] Ban Final Countdown and Exodia. Ban BLS-EotB. [/quote] How the hell are they not banned yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Well, Madolche suck in general, one card that gives them a glimpse of winning a given duel isn't too terrible. They'll steal a win every now and then but that's what all rogue decks do. It's like hitting Ravine in Dragunity. Yeah it'd neuter them, but they're not a problem in the first place. Majoleine is fine, it's like Tengu in a way; An excellent floater. But that's all it is. It's not like Stratos which has currently 3 spells to search it along with having a built in MST-to-Harpie's-Feather-Duster effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I always enjoy pointing out that most of the yugioh community knows that there is a shitload of cards that need to be hit but also acknowledges the fact that they wont. I am starting to even question what the purpose in pointing these cards out anymore even is, since it matters less then the millions of skin cells dying every second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 A few friends of mine are starting to say Dark Hole and Heavy Storm are broken, but I think they need to stick around to discourage massive overextension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I pretty much agree on Chris' post for list changes.... Other than that, I have some personal preferences that would be interesting to see go up the list. With corresponding hits for certain cards, like what might be problematic for Ritual art and Metamorphosis, for example. Feel free to point out what makes some of these be where they are, I could be missing something crusial here. Ojama Trio Mirror Force Reasoning Duality Magical Stone Excavation Summoner Monk Transmigration Prophesy Scapegoat One for One Monster Gate Burial from a Different Dimension Book of Moon Advanced Ritual Art Formula Synchron Tsukuyomi T.G. Striker Spore Bestiari Chaos Sorcerer Metamorphosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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