Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1357524719' post='6113753'] I always enjoy pointing out that most of the yugioh community knows that there is a shitload of cards that need to be hit but also acknowledges the fact that they wont. I am starting to even question what the purpose in pointing these cards out anymore even is, since it matters less then the millions of skin cells dying every second. [/quote] WHAT? MY SKIN IS DYING? WHAT THE F IS WRONG WITH ME[/totallynotsarcasm] Seriously, though, past Banlist discussions have all ended up horribly. How is this any different than just "Ban this, this sucks, keep this because apparently we need it"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1357531616' post='6113839'] I pretty much agree on Chris' post for list changes.... Other than that, I have some personal preferences that would be interesting to see go up the list. With corresponding hits for certain cards, like what might be problematic for Ritual art and Metamorphosis, for example. Feel free to point out what makes some of these be where they are, I could be missing something crusial here. Ojama Trio [b]Burn/OTKs[/b] Mirror Force [b]I really don't think it should go up, due to 1 makign a healthy mindgame, but... It took longer to go up for that reason.[/b] Reasoning Duality [b]Very splashable card that's gonna bring in less cash for Konami than Cardcar, that combos very well with the latter.[/b] Magical Stone Excavation [b]O/FTKs[/b] Summoner Monk [b]I'm guessing to be on the safe side.[/b] Transmigration Prophesy [b]2 makes a loop, and something else I forget[/b] Scapegoat [b]Probably still there due to Naturias, but not sure[/b] One for One [b]Probably to avoid making a mistake[/b] Monster Gate Burial from a Different Dimension [b]To keep cards liek Meuki from being too abused[/b] Book of Moon [b]IT'S POPULAR!!!!!!11!!!!!!1!!!1[/b] Advanced Ritual Art [b]Seriously promotes OTKs[/b] Formula Synchron [b]Fear of makign a mistake, most likely, but it should be fine @2[/b] Tsukuyomi [b]They're nervous to unlimit it, due to what it di in the past[/b] T.G. Striker [b]The OCG hates T.G. Agents[/b] Spore [b]I don't get this, but to avoid people dodging crow, I guess[/b] Bestiari [b]Even 2's kinda crazy, or at least was in the past[/b] Chaos Sorcerer [b]BLS NEEDS TO STAY f*** THE FANS[/b] Metamorphosis [b]OTKs and the like, as well as Exterio[/b] [/quote] That's what I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 The ONLY 'necessary evil' in the game should be and is Heavy Storm. f*** Gorz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Zero*' timestamp='1357533099' post='6113858'] The ONLY 'necessary evil' in the game should be and is Heavy Storm. f*** Gorz. [/quote] And Dark Hole, which is actually way more tame than Storm. But yeah, Gorz is in no way necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Josh Black' timestamp='1357533221' post='6113860'] And Dark Hole, which is actually way more tame than Storm. But yeah, Gorz is in no way necessary. [/quote] Lmao my friend tried to convince me that Storm should be banned, we played a game, I open Thunder King, set 4. He goes, I Macro, he scoops. it was funny but in all seriousness TKRO/Laggia + Set 4 is one of the main reasons I think Heavy Storm is necessary. Truthfully, I wouldn't mind Heavy Storm coming back to 2 for a format to see if it would encourage people to play more skillfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 You have to let them be skillful with Heavy too. You have to give them one, or they use them badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357534330' post='6113871'] You have to let them be skillful with Heavy too. You have to give them one, or they use them badly. [/quote] I guess that's true, too. Idk I just think it'd be interesting to see what kind of difference it would make, if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Josh Black' timestamp='1357513293' post='6113511'] How it's handled, what cards should move onto/from/up/down the list, and anything else that seems to fit. [/quote]They should stop handling it on a basis of money... /obvious What I expect to happen: [u][b]Forbidden:[/b][/u] [b]Card Destruction[/b] (Dark Worlds) [i]from Limited[/i] [b]Dark Armed Dragon[/b] (Inzektors and Verz) [i]from Limited[/i] (possibly) [b]Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning[/b] (it hasn't been doing a lot is the real issue with it) [i]from Limited[/i] [u][b]Limited:[/b][/u] [b]Wind-Up Magician[/b] (Wind-Ups) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Atlantean Dragoon[/b] (Merlanteans) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Deep Sea Diva[/b] (Merlanteans; it's a level 2 TGU) OR Genex Undine (I just don't want to ban it for something the Atlanteans did to it...) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Tour Guide from the Underworld[/b] (Rabbit) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Fire Formation - Tenki[/b] (ROTA; Should be out long enough to be hit... hopefully... okay, it's questionable Sams vs Inzektors case thing) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Evilswarm Ophion[/b] (There's always the slight chance this happens, otherwise replace this with Rabbit) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Snoww, Unlight of Dark World[/b] (Dark Worlds) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [u][b]Semi-Limited:[/b][/u] [b]Book of Moon[/b] (I think it's perfectly fine at 2) [i]from Limited[/i] [b]Formula Synchron[/b] (It's not a problem, even @3. 2 tests the waters) [i]from Limited[/i] [b]Tsukuyomi[/b] (I like Book and Tsuku sitting at 2 for a while) [i]from Limited[/i] [b]Monster Gate[/b] (Following after Reasoning) [i]from Limited[/i] [u][b]Unlimited:[/b][/u] [b]Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner[/b] (It's fine. It's really fine. Maybe they'll hit JD now if LS start showing up instead of this s***) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Summoner Monk[/b] (It's a +0 that requires that you give up a spell that you would probably otherwise need. Being at 3 is okay) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Reasoning[/b] (It's on the up) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/b] (Gotta have one card that jumps back up 1, though I'm thinking maybe it'll be Sorc if BLS gets banned. Besides, Hieratics aren't doing anything without 3 REDMD) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Spore[/b] (It's on the up and okay at 3) [i]from Limited[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I don't think Tenki deserves to be banned. Limited at most, because it is still useful outside of Fire Fists and in low numbers it shouldn't be that much of a threat, and hit Chicken along with it. I too would like to see Rescue Cat at 1 just to see what would happen but Uniflora exists, as it was already pointed out. That could be solved by banning Uniflora, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yes, let's ban a perfect benign card in order to allow a broken ass card back in the game. That makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Cat with wind up rat...ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Oh right, Wind-Up Rat is Beast; I forgot that small detail. I thought that only X-Sabers would become more powerful but of course there are tons of decks that can abuse Cat, or will find the way to do so. So yeah, Rescue Cat can stay where he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Voltex' timestamp='1357545315' post='6113995'] Oh right, Wind-Up Rat is Beast; I forgot that small detail. I thought that only X-Sabers would become more powerful but of course there are tons of decks that can abuse Cat, or will find the way to do so. So yeah, Rescue Cat can stay where he is now. [/quote] And, y'know, it makes a 2300 bodied +1, which becomes a +2 due to the low amount of resources put into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 wtf is with this Rescue Cat fetish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1357575369' post='6114153'] wtf is with this Rescue Cat fetish? [/quote]The same issue with the metamorphosis fetish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 People want an obviously broken card back into the game because they're too f***ing stupid and/or naive to realise how badly designed they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1357575518' post='6114158'] The same issue with the metamorphosis fetish. [/quote] You would think only a dedicated Deck though could abuse Metamorphosis, since the only reason people want to run it is Exterio, along with a few others. Rescue Cat, no matter how you look at it, is busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1357575639' post='6114167'] You would think only a dedicated Deck though could abuse Metamorphosis, since the only reason people want to run it is Exterio, along with a few others. Rescue Cat, no matter how you look at it, is busted. [/quote]Chaos Dragons can run Metamorphosis for Exterio. Dark Worlds for Cyber Twin Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeguBrit Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I think that Gear Gigant X needs to be semi-limited at least. I mean, detaching for a level 4 or lower machine type is too strong, if it was only Geargias it would still be useful, but right now you can search out Gearframe and then Fortress with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1357583330' post='6114299'] Chaos Dragons can run Metamorphosis for Exterio. Dark Worlds for Cyber Twin Dragon. [/quote] Didnt you want to swap them around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='LeguBrit' timestamp='1357583535' post='6114304'] I think that Gear Gigant X needs to be semi-limited at least. [/quote] lol And from my last post I forgot to mention. I really like how people make their own list, then will post a much shittier list because they call it "what will actually happen / more likely will happen" thanks to Konami logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1357584411' post='6114314'] Didnt you want to swap them around? [/quote]I don't think that was me. At least not seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1357543352' post='6113980'] They should stop handling it on a basis of money... /obvious What I expect to happen: [u][b]Forbidden:[/b][/u] [b]Card Destruction[/b] (Dark Worlds) [i]from Limited[/i] [b]Dark Armed Dragon[/b] (Inzektors and Verz) [i]from Limited[/i] (possibly) [b]Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning[/b] (it hasn't been doing a lot is the real issue with it) [i]from Limited[/i] [u][b]Limited:[/b][/u] [b]Wind-Up Magician[/b] (Wind-Ups) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Atlantean Dragoon[/b] (Merlanteans) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Deep Sea Diva[/b] (Merlanteans; it's a level 2 TGU) OR Genex Undine (I just don't want to ban it for something the Atlanteans did to it...) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Tour Guide from the Underworld[/b] (Rabbit) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Fire Formation - Tenki[/b] (ROTA; Should be out long enough to be hit... hopefully... okay, it's questionable Sams vs Inzektors case thing) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Evilswarm Ophion[/b] (There's always the slight chance this happens, otherwise replace this with Rabbit) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [b]Snoww, Unlight of Dark World[/b] (Dark Worlds) [i]from Unlimited[/i] [u][b]Semi-Limited:[/b][/u] [b]Book of Moon[/b] (I think it's perfectly fine at 2) [i]from Limited[/i] [b]Formula Synchron[/b] (It's not a problem, even @3. 2 tests the waters) [i]from Limited[/i] [b]Tsukuyomi[/b] (I like Book and Tsuku sitting at 2 for a while) [i]from Limited[/i] [b]Monster Gate[/b] (Following after Reasoning) [i]from Limited[/i] [u][b]Unlimited:[/b][/u] [b]Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner[/b] (It's fine. It's really fine. Maybe they'll hit JD now if LS start showing up instead of this s***) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Summoner Monk[/b] (It's a +0 that requires that you give up a spell that you would probably otherwise need. Being at 3 is okay) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Reasoning[/b] (It's on the up) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/b] (Gotta have one card that jumps back up 1, though I'm thinking maybe it'll be Sorc if BLS gets banned. Besides, Hieratics aren't doing anything without 3 REDMD) [i]from Semi-Limited[/i] [b]Spore[/b] (It's on the up and okay at 3) [i]from Limited[/i] [/quote] I like the layout of this list as it hits the big decks like Dark World, Wind-Up's and Atlantics just to calm the whole meta over powering-ness of it, while upping some cards that by themselves don't act as major threats anymore as a start to it along with the possible hits that have been mentioned in this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull3tM0nk3y Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1357513645' post='6113521'] One Day of Peace deserves to be banned. Wind Up Magician either needs to be banned or at 1. Magical Stone Excavation to go at 3. I would love for Cat to come back, but with Uniflora, that is not even an idea worth thinking.... [/quote] You're lucky that I am not on my computer, other wise a reaction image would deiilered for every word on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ReBeL Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Banned: Monster Reborn Black Luster Soldier Gorz the Emissary of Darkness One Day of Peace(Gishki FTK and others. Promotes Stall and Going into Time) Limit: Wind-Up Rabbit Wind-Up Shark Wind-Up Factory Genex Undine Snoww Tour Guide Dark Strike Fighter aka DS Winner ( i know never but veiler my friends konami fish and bwings) Goyo aka Good Yugioh (veiler exist, so do xyz's that have materials fall off yes broken still but i want it and konami sure did love fish and bwings) Semi-Limited: Machina Gearframe Geargia Armor Lonefire Tsukuyomi (no book of moon because it's a quick play) Black Whirlwind (factory searches better) Unlimited: Mind Crush Destiny Hero Malicious Yugioh is bad enough its to hard to unlimit anything because everything semi or limited or banned is too good to be back at all. I'm tired it's 4:36am and ygo sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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