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Zazubat Newbie

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No. Divine Cards are not realistic. It isn't due to bad designers, it's due to the fact it just ISN'T realistic.

 

It's reserved for 4 cards in the game. The God Cards and their "fusion". It's basically a status symbol.

 

It has everything to do with the game's flavor.

So you can say that Toon Monsters are not realistic either?

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Blake Newbie

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If I am asking a question of clarification (for example, unclear wording or something to do with actual rulings), does this count as a "review"? Or are such questions subject to the Clause?

Questions are, indeed, subject to the clause. In a case like that, just make comments based on whichever way it can go along with the questions.

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what i dont understand is crappy design. i mean, if they made it their selves and tried thier best and it looks a little crappy what are you going to say?



just lock? because that seems to be the answer to everything

So you mean locking rule breaking is wrong? Welcome to the internet.

 

And the design doesn't apply to the art, it applies to the card. Things like Number 11: Big Eye, Elemental Dragons, Judgment of the Spellbooks, etc. are examples.

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what i dont understand is crappy design. i mean, if they made it their selves and tried thier best and it looks a little crappy what are you going to say?

It's how the card works, with what, and well, its design. Does it reward you for things that you can accomplish too easily (like how you can turn any Dragon into a 2800 beater that comes with a Type-Specific Monster Reborn/extra Summon), does it punish your opponent for playing the game (Delinquent Duo did this)? Does it nullify drawbacks (like Thunder Charger)?

 

For example, Harrison's card that he made... today... was practically impossible to Summon outside of things such as Galaxy Queen's Light, but he intended it to be used by playing cards that you normally would not play (as I'm 81.5935% sure he has never heard of GQL, and 97.2435% sure he didn't think of it) in the typical Deck. There's running Gate Guardian for Gate Guardian, then there's running Gate Guardian and Terror Incarnate for the sole purpose of making this guy. It leads to disasters.

 

And if that is not enough, it was a game-winner that did so very bluntly. It pretty much was "When Summoned, banish everything and give this a billion million ATK). To top that off, he even said it could attack directly with its 156000-ATK self by paying 10k Life Points. This leads to running healing for the sake of pulling this effect off, oh, and did I mention it was basically "Pay 10k HP, win teh doool?"

 

I myself am not as knowledgeable in it as Black is, but you can figure a lot of it out by silently watching the TCG section (don't post, you will cry) and trying to figure out what the "poorly designed cards" like Spellbook Judgment Day (or something like that), or the Elemental Dragons do that makes them stupid.

 

As for the rules, I've been meaning to question the whole "posting lore separately" clause, but kept forgetting to. Why is it exactly necessary to post the lore of a card that is short and simple (like, say, Pot of Greed)? Is there something else behind this, or is it just a secretly clever test to see who's reading the rules? Either way, the whole "You must post the lore for Pot of Greed separately from the card even though we can read it" has been a bit unnerving.

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As for the rules, I've been meaning to question the whole "posting lore separately" clause, but kept forgetting to. Why is it exactly necessary to post the lore of a card that is short and simple (like, say, Pot of Greed)? Is there something else behind this, or is it just a secretly clever test to see who's reading the rules? Either way, the whole "You must post the lore for Pot of Greed separately from the card even though we can read it" has been a bit unnerving.

I am not gonna post about the other things you mentioned, as you're giving good points here, but I wanna give my thoughts on the reason why. I think that it's because, and I do agree with this, that it helps the reviewers out, even if small effects, reviewing multiples is quite annnoying, as well as typing everything out yourself. When ever I review, I typically copy paste the text into the reply box, fix the OCG, and then procide to review it. This makes it easy and fast for me, instead of scrolling up the page. I also what you're saying is basically that you there should be an exception to the rule? I am quite sure that most new people NEVER read the rules, and is just going by what they see, and if they think that all they gotta do is post their card, then they're wrong, they shouldn't.
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It also makes it easier to tell if you are following the advanced clause or not.

Besides, if it is short, there shouldn't be any problem anyway.

It also makes it easier for OCG fixes.

The benefits outweigh the effort you need to copy and paste the text.

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what i dont understand is crappy design. i mean, if they made it their selves and tried thier best and it looks a little crappy what are you going to say?



just lock? because that seems to be the answer to everything

Black doesn't lock topics necessarily for being poorly designed, he blocks topics if the card design is so poorly constructed that it's unrealistic.  This section is called "Realistic Cards", no?  Why should an unrealistic card be allowed in a forum whose very title implies that such cards aren't allowed?

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Magic Set Editor has custom templates for download. If I wanted to post cards with custom templates like this one.

 

[URL=http://s898.photobucket.com/user/Deraj_2010/media/LEVEL4Bonecrusher-Oni_zpsa9a8d354.jpg.html]LEVEL4Bonecrusher-Oni_zpsa9a8d354.jpg[/URL]

 

Would it be okay as long as I specify it's not a made-up card type and just an Effect/Normal Monster with a black frame?

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I'm confused about something:

 

If the whole idea of RC is to make meta worthy cards, but so many meta deck's mechanics are looked at as "taboo: bad design", how does one go about making and posting not overpowered but meta-worhty cards?. No I don't mean that we should make things like solitare style win conditions (I HATE those with a passion btw) or game ruiners like chaos emperor dragon.

 

A couple examples:

 

I once saw a mod lock a thread and the reason given was that it was "bad design because it was like mermails" but mermails are legal right now.

 

So we can't make another spellbook judgment day, but what kind of archtype can we make that can fight evenly against prophecies once lord of the tachyon galaxy comes out?

 

I guess part of me worries that if RC doesn't acknowledge the power creep in the game (if it hasn't already because this might have already happened) then posting metaworthy cards will become impossible.

 

Sorry if that was hard to understand: I was trying to figure out what I was trying to say as I typed it.

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Blake Newbie

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I'm confused about something:
 
If the whole idea of RC is to make meta worthy cards, but so many meta deck's mechanics are looked at as "taboo: bad design", how does one go about making and posting not overpowered but meta-worhty cards?. No I don't mean that we should make things like solitare style win conditions (I HATE those with a passion btw) or game ruiners like chaos emperor dragon.

... that's not the point at all. The point is to make realistic, balanced, usable cards, with maybe a LITTLE questionable design to make it work. You are fundamentally treating the section incorrectly.

I guess part of me worries that if RC doesn't acknowledge the power creep in the game (if it hasn't already because this might have already happened) then posting metaworthy cards will become impossible.
 
Sorry if that was hard to understand: I was trying to figure out what I was trying to say as I typed it.

But that's the thing: Power Creep hasn't reached the point of things like that, and what it has reached has been acknowledged. While powerful, Fire Fists, Constellars,and even Evilswarm are not on the same level as that of Prophecies, Incarnate Dragons, and Mermails. If something was designed on a similar level to Fire Fists, Constellar, or Evilswarm, without any particularly awful design, we wouldn't mind. But there's a problem that most designers DO make awful design (Does too much, what it does is too strong, made to break/further break existing cards, etc., when on the "broken" side of design), when they could, simply, make only a little bit of questionable design in order to do so.

Atlanteans are also particularly awful design because they revolve around NOT paying costs, essentially.
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Magic Set Editor has custom templates for download. If I wanted to post cards with custom templates like this one.
 
LEVEL4Bonecrusher-Oni_zpsa9a8d354.jpg
 
Would it be okay as long as I specify it's not a made-up card type and just an Effect/Normal Monster with a black frame?


Um. If it's an Xyz, then it's fine. If it's not an Xyz, then it goes into Any Other Cards because black cards are reserved specifically to Xyzs
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