Lonk Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 [quote]Pay half your Life Points; Special Summon as many of your banished monsters as possible. During the End Phase, banish all monsters that were Special Summoned by this effect.[/quote] It honestly isn't fair that a player that is in a losing position comes back around in one turn and OTKs their opponent. What is worse is that this card is incredibly sacky now that it is @1. I mean, paying half of your life points to Summon all of the bosses/key monsters you banished in the duel is honestly the most degenerate way for a comeback victory. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Not sure if the title is the best decision ever, I think you're inviting a flamewar with it but we'll see where it goes. It honestly isn't fair that a player that is in a losing position comes back around in one turn and OTKs their opponent. What is worse is that this card is incredibly sacky now that it is @1. I mean, paying half of your life points to Summon all of the bosses/key monsters you banished in the duel is honestly the most degenerate way for a comeback victory. Discuss. Even worse, the card is also used as an insane winmoar by Dragon Rulers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 It's quite sad when a card like this does more than its intended purpose (supporting D.D.). Something tells me that Konami wasn't thinking straight when they created this, or when they made cards that abuse the hell out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 It's quite sad when a card like this does more than its intended purpose (supporting D.D.). Something tells me that Konami wasn't thinking straight when they created this, or when they made cards that abuse the hell out of this. Return from the Different Dimension debuted in Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie: Pyramid of Light. It was then printed in the movie booster pack, at least in English. Kaiba was going to use it to get all 3 banished God Cards. What D.D. Support/non-OTK/non-winmoar was this ever made for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Wasn't it released WAY back when? This was a time when banishing cards wasn't a major, major thing that all players did frequently. It was probably before the days of Macro Cosmos, and banishing from the Graveyard for costs was rare outside of Chaos Sorcerer. The game has just evolved to a point where this type of play is frequent, and now we have things we can do with monsters before the End Phase, aside from just attack with them. We can Overlay them if they're the same Level, and Synchro with them if one's a Tuner. With the game evolved to this point, banning it is a logical step, but I don't think it really sees as much play as you'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Wasn't it released WAY back when? This was a time when banishing cards wasn't a major, major thing that all players did frequently. It was probably before the days of Macro Cosmos, and banishing from the Graveyard for costs was rare outside of Chaos Sorcerer. The game has just evolved to a point where this type of play is frequent, and now we have things we can do with monsters before the End Phase, aside from just attack with them. We can Overlay them if they're the same Level, and Synchro with them if one's a Tuner. With the game evolved to this point, banning it is a logical step, but I don't think it really sees as much play as you'd think. It's almost a staple in Dragon Rulers. The only reason it's not 100% is because paying 50% to get Vanity'd doesn't sound fun. But Vanity's is starting to fall out of favor until Spark Dragon gets here, so maybe things will change. Also, you should never use this except in response to something, or you're gonna get BTH'd/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 A winmoar card. Even worse that Card Destruction and Gateway I'd say. You won't hear me complaining if it's banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Kaiba was going to use it to get all 3 banished God Cards-Which is ironic, since in that respect this card is just too damn situational then.I mean, Pyramid was, what, Kaiba's ONLY card that was played the entire duel that Banished anything of Yugi's?Plus, the whole fact it brings back stuff of the Opponent, is just icing on the dues-ex-machina-cake, as you have to jump through hoops to pick and choose what your going to bring back(Assuming you only want specific monsters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Return from the Different Dimension debuted in Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie: Pyramid of Light. It was then printed in the movie booster pack, at least in English. Kaiba was going to use it to get all 3 banished God Cards. What D.D. Support/non-OTK/non-winmoar was this ever made for? Excuse me for not remembering that movie, Black. The first (and most logical) thing that I could think of that this supported was D.D. considering that D.D. tends to utilize the banished zone a lot (unsustainably in a fair amount of cases). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Wasn't it released WAY back when? This was a time when banishing cards wasn't a major, major thing that all players did frequently. It was probably before the days of Macro Cosmos, and banishing from the Graveyard for costs was rare outside of Chaos Sorcerer. The game has just evolved to a point where this type of play is frequent, and now we have things we can do with monsters before the End Phase, aside from just attack with them. We can Overlay them if they're the same Level, and Synchro with them if one's a Tuner. With the game evolved to this point, banning it is a logical step, but I don't think it really sees as much play as you'd think. Yeah. Macro Cosmos was first ever seen used by Proffessor Banner in Yugioh GX when he uncovered himself as a Shadow Rider. The Pyramid of Light debuted before we even got the first series' 4th season (Orichalcos). Soul Release Chaos (DMoC, Sorcerer, BLS, Emperor Dragon) D.D. Warrior/D.D. Warrior Lady/ D.D. Scout Plane Freed the Brave Wanderer Strike Ninja Pyramid of Light Sylpheed/ Gigantes/ Garuda/ etc. Hmmm that's about all I can remember that self banished back when this card came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Saying that just because this was made around a time where it couldn't be used properly isn't an excuse for poor design. Rescue Cat wasn't badly designed when it first came out. Now, it's banned. This card is just limited and it is looking forward to receiving the banhammer in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 A winmoar card. Even worse that Card Destruction and Gateway I'd say. You won't hear me complaining if it's banned. Gateway and card destruction arent winmoar, they're "I win" cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted October 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Gateway and card destruction arent winmoar, they're "I win" cards. So does that make this card "I win" as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 So does that make this card "I win" as well?That is the point he was trying to convey, yes.Card shouldn't exist. Paying half your Life Points to deal 15000 damage isn't exactly that fair when it's only restriction is paying half your Life Points. Hopefully will go to 0 in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 This successfully resolve = gg, no questions asked(usually). 1 button win cards shouldn't exist in the first place, regardless of counters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 1 button win cards shouldn't exist in the first place, regardless of counters.Agent of CreationInfernity LauncherDark HoleBig EyeBlack LusterJudgment DragonExodiaetc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Agent of Creation Infernity Launcher Dark Hole Big Eye Black Luster Judgment Dragon Exodia etc I wouldn't exactly call Dark Hole a winmoar card. Heavy Storm destroys Spell/Trap cards, whose's function is to protect you or slow down your opponent's pushes. Dark Hole what eliminates is the cards that most commonly make the damage. It's not great or even good design but it has a small excuse. Although Torrential is better in that regard to be honest, so Dark Hole is probably not needed as design in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Man, it's just now I remember all those games I lost to "etc"... Yeah, at this point I'd say Dimension Fusion is LESS broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Man, it's just now I remember all those games I lost to "etc"... Yeah, at this point I'd say Dimension Fusion is LESS broken. Every copy of Dimension Fusion and this should be cast into holy fire, but to be fair, banishing wasn't as easy to exploit at the time they were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm actually a nice guy for not playing this in E-Dragunities. Good guy Arin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm actually a nice guy for not playing this in E-Dragunities. Good guy Arin.I'm actually a nice guy for not playing Rulers, let along E-Dragunities in the first place.Good guy Ar- Wait, no, I'm a hipster at Yugioh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 To elaborate Heraldry Lord, Dimension Fusion has 3 things that limit it more than Returned: it costs a fixed amount of Life (meaning it can be dead), it helps your opponent as well (with Banishing so common these days, odds they get something back are good), and it can't be used defensively. Yes it's a Normal Spell, but then again, it's a Normal Spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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