[Sleepy] Bloop Titan

[Sleepy]

Just an unusual experiment.

 

 

1 Tuner + 1 monster with any Rank

If the non-Tuner monster used for this card's Summon was not able to attack by it's own effect, this card cannot attack this turn.

 

 

Thoughts?

[death00]

this would not work, first it's level has to be at least 2 cuz a level 1+ rank 1 still = 2; secondly level 1 monsters don't have 2800 atk the max they have is around 500 atk

[Trebuchet MS]

Ranks are not Levels, so even if we somehow use Xyz Monsters as Synchro Material, we don't add their Ranks.

 

Second, while that 500 ATK cap usually applies to LV1 Main Deck monsters, Vayu has bypassed that cap with 800/0 on a LV1. And we can afford to go a little higher if we tighten the Summoning requirement even further.

[death00]

ok, but why would someone EVEN WANT to summon this if the xyz they would have to use to synchro summon this would be immensely more powerful than this non effect monster 

[Trebuchet MS]

Mind Control their Zenmaines, Synchro off with a tiny Tuner for this card.

[Guest Imperiused]

This is a fun card. I especially enjoy the name and artwork.

[Sleepy]

this would not work, first it's level has to be at least 2 cuz a level 1+ rank 1 still = 2; secondly level 1 monsters don't have 2800 atk the max they have is around 500 atk

The Level vs Rank issue was already explained above.

I'm here to disprove the second point. Here's an IRL Level 1 that goes out of your standard:

 

 

 

ok, but why would someone EVEN WANT to summon this if the xyz they would have to use to synchro summon this would be immensely more powerful than this non effect monster 

 

That's because Xyzs aren't always stronger than this card.

Zenmaines (1500), Maestroke (1800), Lavalval Chain (1800), Utopia (2500), Dracosak (2600), etc.

In fact, most Xyzs aren't. Besides, there are many decks that can have a random Level 1 Tuner with them. Copy Plant/Spore in Plants, Flamvell Guard/Dragunity Corsesca in Dragon Rulers, Effect Veiler in mostly anything.

 

Mind Control (as said above) works too. Or Enemy Controller.

 

This is a fun card. I especially enjoy the name and artwork.

 

Thank you n.n

[Big Lez]

This looks so weird... sorry but i had to start with the uncomfortable truth :D

A level 1 Synchro and 2800 ATK/0 DEF - i have no problem with that.
But the weirdest part about that is that you didnt add a ridiculously strong effect, like we usually see it on Synchro monsters all over this section...and that is exactly what i like about this card.

The idea is pretty sweet - its balanced i guess and well. What else to say. You dont see me liking a Synchro monster often so be happy about it :D

[Toffee.]

Concept wise, this is pretty interesting because most Level 1 Tuners tend to be obscure in their own right, so it's always nice that a card like this gives you some additional mileage.

[Darj]

I like this card. It is a clever way for using Xyz as Synchro Materials and an interesting take on Level 1 Synchros (I remember seeing Level 1 Synchros whose materials required special effects like "this card is treated as Level 0". But to be fair, I think those were made before Xyz existed so it's not like they had another choice).

 

 

Just to avoid confusion, I would use the following requirements:

 

1 Tuner + 1 Monster with any Rank

 

That way, people first reading the card will get that you are meant to use an Xyz as the other Synchro Material, instead of going "you can't summon this card because monsters cannot be Level 0".

[Kyng's Old Account]

It is an interesting concept, however I'm going to quote this from the Wiki:

An Xyz Monster's Rank is not its Level. Xyz Monsters do not have Levels. Therefore, they cannot be used for Synchro, Ritual, or Xyz Summons unless explicitly named as a requirement.

Synchro Monsters require the use of Materials with Levels. The only candidates for this card's summon would have to be, somehow, a non-Xyz Monster's Level was reduced to Zero.

If we regard a Monster's Level as any number from 1 - 12, a Synchro Monster would require materials on this Spectrum. However, an Xyz Monster's Rank is not regarded as a Level in any sense. They cannot be treated as 0 Level Material Monsters, which due to the phrasing of your Card is what I can only assume you're going by.

I'll also offer an analogy to try and explain it better: If we regard a Synchro Monster's Summoning requirements as a recipe for, say, a cake: Levels would be the eggs, while Ranks are shards of glass. The way this card is phrased asks for a 0 eggs, not any amount of shards of glass.

Therefore, if you do intend for this to remain realistic, it might be better to have the "1 monster with no Levels" clause to specifically regarding to either Rank, or Xyz Monsters on the whole. This, or you might treat it as a form of Contact Fusion, but rather Contact Synchro - i.e. rather than tuning, sending/banishing them to the Graveyard or Deck/Banished Pile to Special Summon this card, which is treated as being Synchro Summoned. Otherwise, this card simply would never be able to come into play.

At least, this is what my knowledge assumes.

In terms of flavour, I couldn't say there is much. The name is nice and short, a very straight forward name which is quite respectable, however this card does not give off the resisting nature of a Titan through it's lack of defence. Titans aren't usually regarded as Glass Cannons, which this card is. That, and the black border is a little bit eh.

On the whole it needs adjusting a lot, but it is an interesting experiment to say the least. But as things stand it could never actually hit the field, thus playability cannot be discussed, making me consider whether this should even be in Realistic Cards in the first place.

[Big Lez]

It is an interesting concept, however I'm going to quote this from the Wiki:Synchro Monsters require the use of Materials with Levels. The only candidates for this card's summon would have to be, somehow, a non-Xyz Monster's Level was reduced to Zero.

On the whole it needs adjusting a lot, but it is an interesting experiment to say the least. But as things stand it could never actually hit the field, thus playability cannot be discussed, making me consider whether this should even be in Realistic Cards in the first place.

But is changing the rules with a card effect OR special Summoning Condition not the usual way things are handled in this game?
There was a time when cards where removed from play - so nobody could use them anymore. Nowadays theyre only banished because new cards broke those rules.

So i would absolutely say this card belongs in this section because "changing rules" is somehow one of the things that card effects are known for.

[Sleepy]

It is true that I should specify that it uses Ranks. That way it is more straight-forward regarding what it uses for it's Summon, and it'd be more respectful in regards to the rule. Otherwise, if this card hypothetically existed, it'd make people confused about being able to use Xyzs as Synchro Material Monsters with 0 Levels.

I'll edit that.

 

 

Thank you people. I'm glad this is being considered.

Long ago, I'd just get "You can't do that because X thing should only be like this" comments.

 

 

EDIT:
I changed the requirement to "1 monster of any Rank"

and made it's DEF sturdier for the TItan flavor, as suggested.

Lastly, I got rid of the image border, which I hadn't noticed.

[Sander]

Dragon Rulers, and any other deck could still run this, without any problems, given that they could just run some random Level 1 Tuner like the Laval one or the wind one from the archetype that I cannot remember at the moment. They could just Summon Number 11 or Draccosack, steal something / pop something, then get a 2800 beater out with either a stolen monster or this + 2 tokens.

[Sleepy]

Dragon Rulers, and any other deck could still run this, without any problems, given that they could just run some random Level 1 Tuner like the Laval one or the wind one from the archetype that I cannot remember at the moment. They could just Summon Number 11 or Draccosack, steal something / pop something, then get a 2800 beater out with either a stolen monster or this + 2 tokens.

I think you mean Flamvell Guard or Dragunity Corsesca.

I made this card with the possibility of Dragon Rulers in the back of my head, but now that you brought it up, I just got to think that this is kind of like Gaia Charger, in which it allows them to skip their cost of not attacking that turn. Even if Gaia Charger doesn't require any additional advantage and this needs the Normal Summoning of the Tuner, it is still roughly the same.

 

The first reason to restrict the Ranks that can be used with this card has finally appeared.

Hmm what Rank(s) would be best for this card to be restricted to.

[Sleepy]

Concept wise, this is pretty interesting because most Level 1 Tuners tend to be obscure in their own right, so it's always nice that a card like this gives you some additional mileage.

Personally, ever since the Xyz generation started, I've gradually been wondering more and more, why can't low Level decks get some love. I mean, huge Rank 7, 8, and even 10 cards can be really easy to bring out, even at an absurd Level, but even though Level 2 or lower are not any easier to really spam and make use for, they still get their bosses mostly restricted to "oh but it's a Rank 1 so it must be weak.

The Machine Emperors and more recently the CXyz version of Shyneet (especially this last one) kinda started breaking from that trend, and actually gave Level 1s a potential 2700+ ATK beater without needing help from higher Leveled monsters. (Also, for a while, I've been wanting some sort of badass Level 1 Synchros to be able to exist in some way).

 

Mwahaha.

[Darj]

The first reason to restrict the Ranks that can be used with this card has finally appeared.

Hmm what Rank(s) would be best for this card to be restricted to.

 

Since you can pull that trick (skip the "no-attacking" restriction) on Blackship and Volcasaurus as well, you would have to limit it to Rank 3 or lower Xyz Monsters, affecting this card's playability.

 

I'm thinking you can go for another kind of restriction instead, such as:

 

"If the effect of the Xyz Monster used as Synchro Material for this card was activated this turn, this card cannot attack this turn."

 

That way, the "skip the no-attacking restriction" wouldn't be a problem anymore.

[Sleepy]

Since you can pull that trick (skip the "no-attacking" restriction) on Blackship and Volcasaurus as well, you would have to limit it to Rank 3 or lower Xyz Monsters, affecting this card's playability.

 

I'm thinking you can go for another kind of restriction instead, such as:

 

"If the effect of the Xyz Monster used as Synchro Material for this card was activated this turn, this card cannot attack this turn."

 

That way, the "skip the no-attacking restriction" wouldn't be a problem anymore.

I love that idea. I'm gonna go with that.

*goes to the Card Maker*