Βyakuya Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 http://kansasfirstnews.com/2014/03/20/founder-of-westboro-baptist-church-rev-fred-phelps-sr-dies/ ...and they will not being holding a funeral over his death. The man who founded a religious hate group who used all the freedom of speech he had in his pants pocket and denounced gays and military funerals...he died at age 81. A lot of people are starting to believe that the Church's downfall will soon rise, but the church is excluding most upcoming events regarding his death and will continue the usual picketing. The guy in a way is an asshole, but he had a well built career and background, and for a death like him, we would likely either express sympathy in order to invoke more respect from the church members, or use this as leverage to build up tension. Either way for now they're still going to to yell at people for their sins without looking at theirs. Discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I don't want to be that guy, but in this particular case... Who cares? He's dead. Good riddance. I don't expect people to be all sympathetic about it, but raising a commotion about it only continues the never ending circle of hatred. butifpeoplewanttohavegaysexonhisgraveiwontstopthem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Guy's dead. Simple as that. There isn't any need to mock him any further. Maybe it's just a personal thing, but unless they've actually killed people, I don't feel right making of the deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray-Crow Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I don't want to be that guy, but in this particular case... Who cares? He's dead. Good riddance. I don't expect people to be all sympathetic about it, but raising a commotion about it only continues the never ending circle of hatred. butifpeoplewanttohavegaysexonhisgraveiwontstopthem I'm with you, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 The guy left a very bad legacy behind. I never really cared enough to look at what he looked like or what he said in any interview or his background or anything whatsoever, but whatever he started was most likely increased by the followers throughout the years. What the concern to me really is, is that I've seen how deeply engraved the hate doctrines are in many of the followers (from interviews I've watched) and it's most likely something that's gonna keep going. Especially when families into it are teaching their kids from a very early age. Then again, any religion is passed on that way and it hasn't stopped any of them from losing power, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 The man's already dead; let's just leave it at that. Let's not give his followers any reason to martyrize him or anything of the sort. Granted, his followers picketed gays and other non-traditional persons (which is especially bad in a society that's slowly accepting them). But even so, we shouldn't be snooping to their level just to have them suffer their own medicine. Even with their founder dead, it's still sad that they're still going to continue their picketing. Eventually though, they will fall (either the remaining members learn tolerance, as some former members already have, or they answer to their own force later on). Until then, the cycle of hatred and intolerance will continue. Other than that, I really don't care about this guy or his followers. Thankfully his followers haven't picketed here in the Hawaiian islands or we'd be hearing about their rants to no end (especially since they legalized it this past year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Who cares? He's dead. Good riddance. Can I get a /thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 His name's really close to "Fred Phucks" Yes, that is the most I can contribute to this conversation. That, and I can point out that the dude was excommunicated from his own stupid church right before he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 His family became distant and estranged from the church and his ideals. All he really was in the end was a bitter old man with a lot of ups and downs in his life. What's really sad is the amount of like-minded people who carry on with even more zeal now that he is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 [said while posting a large picture about how much I don't care wow much irony] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Phucks given or not, I believe the church members feel the same. But on the other hand some people still have the audacity to hate against the church...even with useless buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well, I despise the ideas the guy had , and the church. But, he's dead, he lived a long life, nothing much to say about that. I won't celebrate or use someone's death. The best thing people can do is not make a big deal out of it. If they use the same tactics the WBC used out of spite, that will only make things worse. The best thing to do is to show compassion for his loved ones and stay out of it I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I thought this was talking about the swimmer at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I thought this was talking about the swimmer at first. Fair enough; No really knew who the hell this guy was until now. But apparently he's Michael Phelps's stepfather or something? :I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I'm glad I didn't walk into a hate mongering thread. Because you would be no better than he was. But, as George Takei said, "I take no solace or joy in this man's passing. We will not dance upon his grave, nor stand vigil at his funeral holding "God Hates Freds" signs, tempting as it may be. He was a tormented soul, who tormented so many. Hate never wins out in the end. It instead goes always to its lonely, dusty end." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 All I'm gonna say is -- don't be provoked by his death and the trolltastic opportunities that death provides you. Just move on as if nothing has happened (and nothing has indeed happened, for at the end of the day, intolerance unsupported by majority opinion will always -- always -- come up short). So if someone wants to have gay sex all over grave, as Tentacruel suggested half-jokingly, I'll stand by and look the other way round (I'm not a voyeur, thank you) -- but people can make a bigger statement by just ignoring him, by just staying quiet and keeping the peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Tim Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 It's bad to speak ill of the dead. I don't support his opinions, but he did stick up for what he believed in. R.I.P. I don't think anyone deserves to denounce his grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Just saying, but, they did more than picket against gay people. The WBC did picket funerals of soldiers who died declaring that they were happy that person died, because the goovernment supports gays. They were HAPPY someone died. This guy, doesn't deserve the peace of eternal rest, or any kind of respect at all. It is completely monstrous to proclaim that sort of thing, and he did it with no shame, or regret. Frankly, I think that's why they're not giving him a funeral, since people might do to them (the WBC) what they've been doing to good honest soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Ok, I don't think anyone would argue that he did a ton of scummy things, with stuff like picketing funerals only the half of it. However, I don't see the point in being glad/satisfied/whatever with the fact that he's dead, or dancing over his grave and anything like it. Not only is that a scummy thing for one to do, but it'd also be lowering yourself down to WBC's level, which I don't think anyone wants. Yes, the man is dead. We can only hope that his church ceases its activies (or at least slows them down), and that we forget this small blemish in world history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Being dead is the best possible time to criticise someone. The timing means that any contrary viewpoints will get both more publicity and be more relevant due to the absurd "never speak ill of the dead" axiom that the media fairly often subscribe to. Now is the time to remind everyone that Fred Phelps was a wizened, wrinkled, bipedal ballbag of hate. The trouble with the no-criticism mentality is that it creates a false dichotomy - that our criticism of WBC and Fred Phuckface is the same as their criticism of queers, jews and (probably) lampposts. Criticism of Phelps is perfectly justified and correct; Phelps' virulent criticism of whatever was bothering him that week is bollocks. tl;dr: People who criticise Phelps are doing so correctly; Phelps' criticism is bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Being dead is the best possible time to criticise someone. The timing means that any contrary viewpoints will get both more publicity and be more relevant due to the absurd "never speak ill of the dead" axiom that the media fairly often subscribe to. Now is the time to remind everyone that Fred Phelps was a wizened, wrinkled, bipedal ballbag of hate. The trouble with the no-criticism mentality is that it creates a false dichotomy - that our criticism of WBC and Fred Phuckface is the same as their criticism of queers, jews and (probably) lampposts. Criticism of Phelps is perfectly justified and correct; Phelps' virulent criticism of whatever was bothering him that week is bollocks. tl;dr: People who criticise Phelps are doing so correctly; Phelps' criticism is bullshit. Criticize him, yes. Do that a lot. He was a little bug who got pissed at things he couldn't control, so he decided to piss everyone else off. But there's a fine line between criticism and douchebaggery. Like I said, if we sink down to his level, those uninvolved onlookers might see the criticizers and wonder, how are they any better than he was? Sure, we might not have done it to a scale that he did, but just by showing that we are capable and willing to do so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 if we sink down to his level, Good for us that that's next to impossible. Man was a grade A hate mongering prick. I agree to an extent though, giving him and his "church" any more attention does no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 ...and life moves on. Right? ...right...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Glad this guy's finally bit the dust. I give no f***s if people hate me or think less of me for the fact that I'm glad he's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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