Suibon Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Opening Sea Horse + Supply Unit is just thinning for days now. Multiples of unit is even better. Holy....holy hell. Searchers and beatsticks and draws for days and days gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what the fuck is happening to this fucking game -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Searchers and beatsticks and draws for days and days gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what the f*** is happening to this f***ing game --Things. wonderful things.On the other hand, does this mean it's now a countdown until short circuit gets limited/banned? I mean, the only thing keeping it away from the list (imo) is the fact that there was no consistent method of pulling it off, not that this card is a thing, I can think of at least 3 different ways to at least semi-consistently pull it off turn 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Searchers and beatsticks and draws for days and days gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what the f*** is happening to this f***ing game -- That's not even the worst thing to happen to this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Things. wonderful things. On the other hand, does this mean it's now a countdown until short circuit gets limited/banned? I mean, the only thing keeping it away from the list (imo) is the fact that there was no consistent method of pulling it off, not that this card is a thing, I can think of at least 3 different ways to at least semi-consistently pull it off turn 1. It hasn't made summoning 3 batterymen easier enough to make Short Circuit a thing you can just drop. It still takes a bit of work to get three batterymen on the field, even if you have one that searches. Though if you use Portable Battery Pack on this guy you are guaranteed to grab the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 It hasn't made summoning 3 batterymen easier enough to make Short Circuit a thing you can just drop. It still takes a bit of work to get three batterymen on the field, even if you have one that searches. Though if you use Portable Battery Pack on this guy you are guaranteed to grab the third. Battery Charger/Call of the Haunted/etc. Revive this, search AAA NS AAA, SS a AAA from hand or Grave It's a 1-card or 2-card set-up. It requires having played a good searchable card earlier/having a good searchable card in hand, but that's hardly demanding. Not saying it's the easiest thing ever, but it certainly DOES make summoning 3 much, much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 That's not even the worst thing to happen to this game. It's still a bad thing. Things. wonderful things. Broken support is barely wonderful, unless you're one for nostalgia and misty eyes, and only value short-term flash-in-the-pan bullshit. The worst abuse we can inflict to a theme that badly needs substantial support is giving them problematic support like this -- if it's hit or banned (whichever deals with the problems such support gives better), if it's not made to last a long, long time (creepy creep worship notwithstanding), then what's the point of releasing them at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Come on, Konami. Come full circle. Make a card that searches "Charger" Cards and "Short Circuit". Do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 It's still a bad thing. Broken support is barely wonderful, unless you're one for nostalgia and misty eyes, and only value short-term flash-in-the-pan bullshit.The worst abuse we can inflict to a theme that badly needs substantial support is giving them problematic support like this -- if it's hit or banned (whichever deals with the problems such support gives better), if it's not made to last a long, long time (creepy creep worship notwithstanding), then what's the point of releasing them at all?Don't worry, It was just a joke. but yeah, the only reason I'm happy about this is because Batterymen have been my favorite deck ever since I pulled AA. Even if it's creepy card, Seeing them get support that's actually formidable makes me happy inside.This isn't substitoad level OP. It's quite susceptible to powercreep, but for the time being, I'm just going to enjoy the fact that konami remembers my favorite archetype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 It bugs me when people use the word "broken" incorrectly. Normal Summon= Search and More ATK In Hunders (the only way to play it obviously*shot*) it just equals the typical Xyz combo but this time with another search. And I know you can use CoTH with it, I know. It's great but far from broken. It being triggered off of CoTH is nice and teeters the scale towards the "too good" side but not nearly as much as some make it out to be. The card has so much amazing potential- and that's what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 It bugs me when people use the word "broken" incorrectly. let me tell you about being bugged about people misusing that word I'm not a batteryman fangirl so I can't really comment on this, other than "oh look, generic power creeped support." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigusto Sphreez Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 I've never played a dedicated batteryman only deck, but as a hunder player this card only helps generate advantage if the first summon goes off. If the first summon goes off (good players against hunders always stop the first summon if they can since they'll know hunders are screwed without it), only then does the additional advantage come in. Sure, it's good, but it's not going to otk easily or anything, and it doesn't tamper with your opponent's ability to play, which by today's standards is as balanced as you can hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 let me tell you about being bugged about people misusing that word I'm not a batteryman fangirl so I can't really comment on this, other than "oh look, generic power creeped support."While it is power creeped, It's not generic. The only decks able to run this are decks that can support Batterymen (those being hunders, maybe watts, and Batterymen}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 For Batteryman decks: Normal Summon Batteryman Charger. Special this. Add Fuel Cell to hand. Special Summon Fuel Cell. Short Circuit. 7500 damage on the board, 500 short of an OTK and all you need is Charger and Short Circuit in hand and something to act as tribute bait for Charger on field. Definitely a godsend for this archetype. 7800 actually. Charger gets a boost for itself. All you'd need is a Hunder or something to put 200 damage on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 7800 actually.Charger gets a boost for itself.All you'd need is a Hunder or something to put 200 damage on board.Actually, looking back at that, Isn't it 6800? unless I missed something?2000+2700+2100=6800? You could still pull it off using either a 2nd charger, a hunder, or a AA though, so I guess that probably doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 It bugs me when people use the word "broken" incorrectly. Normal Summon= Search and More ATK In Hunders (the only way to play it obviously*shot*) it just equals the typical Xyz combo but this time with another search. And I know you can use CoTH with it, I know. It's great but far from broken. It being triggered off of CoTH is nice and teeters the scale towards the "too good" side but not nearly as much as some make it out to be. The card has so much amazing potential- and that's what it is. I fail to see how this card is any different from Stratos or Nebra Disk -- except of course Batterymen have historically been shit, and mustn't we relax our standards when it comes to poor shitty themes? I mean, how many people were overjoyed to see something as insane as Nebra Disk paired to something as shitty as Chronomaly once were? Millions? Billions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Do millions of people even play yugimon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Do millions of people even play yugimon? I'm a known hyperventilator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 I fail to see how this card is any different from Stratos or Nebra Disk -- except of course Batterymen have historically been s***, and mustn't we relax our standards when it comes to poor shitty themes?I mean, how many people were overjoyed to see something as insane as Nebra Disk paired to something as shitty as Chronomaly once were? Millions? Billions?Stratos could trigger multiple times per turn, and had the S&T destruction effect. the largest similarity is that they're both searchers that can bring out their entire archetype.The balance of this card lies in the fact that even if it's a searcher, a searcher is only as good as the card(s) it searches. stratos had an amazing assortment of already powerful things to search, plus a strong S&T destruction ability. While this barely has 2(maybe 3) that might put it on the map and an ATK jump that would only change the tide of a duel once in a blue moon.I agree that the 2000 jump wasn't needed, but other than that, the card's not bad at all. it does it's job, and if you know what you're doing, can give you a nice combo into a lead, But this thing isn't broken by a long shot. stratos, and cards like it (that one cronomaly, the mist valley field combo, ect.) are loopable and easily searched via multiple monsters, spells, and traps. This one isn't, and as such, does not compare to those.That might change in the future, but as things are now, it's not broken, it just has potential to get power creeped, and barring uncompetitive design, power creep to some extent is really hard to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 To defend this as well, it does blow up, essentially making its +1 into a +0, though of course there are ways of using it before it blows up, and of course its archetype has revival/return cards out the wazoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 To defend this as well, it does blow up, essentially making its +1 into a +0, though of course there are ways of using it before it blows up, and of course its archetype has revival/return cards out the wazoo. Oh yes because Blowing up and triggering 1-3 Supply Units = +0 I know you didn't think of it like that but I'm saying you should. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Oh yes because Blowing up and triggering 1-3 Supply Units = +0 I know you didn't think of it like that but I'm saying you should. =P I like to pretend that doesn't exist, but sadly it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 The balance of this card lies in the fact that even if it's a searcher, a searcher is only as good as the card(s) it searches. stratos had an amazing assortment of already powerful things to search, plus a strong S&T destruction ability.An amazing assortment of Alius and Bubbleman and nothing else. Not to mention the disturbingly weak S/T destruction ability it not only can rarely ever even use, but doesn't do anything to change the CA you obtain from it and tends to be less useful than actually searching. If anything it's moreso flavour text.I also felt I had to actually come back just to post this; "But Stratos is too good!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 An amazing assortment of Alius and Bubbleman and nothing else. Not to mention the disturbingly weak S/T destruction ability it not only can rarely ever even use, but doesn't do anything to change the CA you obtain from it and tends to be less useful than actually searching. If anything it's moreso flavour text.I also felt I had to actually come back just to post this; "But Stratos is too good!"prisma exists too right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 An amazing assortment of Alius and Bubbleman and nothing else. Not to mention the disturbingly weak S/T destruction ability it not only can rarely ever even use, but doesn't do anything to change the CA you obtain from it and tends to be less useful than actually searching. If anything it's moreso flavour text. I also felt I had to actually come back just to post this; "But Stratos is too good!" Someone conveniently forgot Dasher, Malicious, Plasma, Doom Lord and Diamond Dude. Just defined several formats, no big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Someone conveniently forgot Dasher, Malicious, Plasma, Doom Lord and Diamond Dude. Just defined several formats, no big.Which, if you hadn't noticed, means fuck all to its position on the list since none of those cards go in winning decks anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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