Maeriberii Haan Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 The fact that we have to rely on Chimeratech as an out is ridiculous in itself and not something to be lauded. You can make Apoqliphoth on turn 1. Hand: Qliphoth Tool, Qliphothtress, Entermate Trampolynx, 2 random Qliphoths. Activate Tool, search Disk. Activate Trampolynx. Pendulum Summon 2 random Qliphoths, bounce Tool. Activate Tool, search Apoqliphoth. Activate Qliphothtress, Normal Summon Disk. Special Summon 2 Qliphoths from Deck. Normal Summon Apoqliphoth.Not that you would really want to in most cases, but it's very possible. Shouldn't Tool add Apo, Tramp Tool and search another fodder, PS three fodder and tribute for Apo work better as a 4 card combo (and not using fortress even)? Also, a question. Been hearing here and there that pendulum monsters can't be Chimera'd (not that it's the case for Apo but yeah), that is true, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 It's literally a 1 card out but the question is what decks have 3 spaces in the side and can reliably add Cyber Dragons? Clearly Blackwings. Either a Synchro or Level 5 monster deck could work, though to my knowledge, that means Yang Zing, right? Though couldn't Shaddolls pull it off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Shouldn't Tool add Apo, Tramp Tool and search another fodder, PS three fodder and tribute for Apo work better as a 4 card combo (and not using fortress even)? Also, a question. Been hearing here and there that pendulum monsters can't be Chimera'd (not that it's the case for Apo but yeah), that is true, no? You need Fortress to be able to summon Apoqliphoth after you summon Disk. You'd want to summon Disk to get more Qliphoths out of the deck and into the Extra. I'd rather have Disk + 2 Archive + 2 Genome in the Extra so I can draw into Disks and Shells rather than just 3 Genome/Archive. You can Chimeratech them. They're summoning conditions, not effects that start a chain. Same reason you can Golem/Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Shouldn't Tool add Apo, Tramp Tool and search another fodder, PS three fodder and tribute for Apo work better as a 4 card combo (and not using fortress even)? Also, a question. Been hearing here and there that pendulum monsters can't be Chimera'd (not that it's the case for Apo but yeah), that is true, no? I assume it's because they can't go to the graveyard. This means if you go the Fortress way you use 3 side spaces and 1 extra space literally to out a single card from the deck (that they may or may not drop another copy of). There has to be something better. There MUST. Clearly Blackwings. Either a Synchro or Level 5 monster deck could work, though to my knowledge, that means Yang Zing, right? Though couldn't Shaddolls pull it off? Yang Zing could use Cydra I guess if they don't get out Quasar (but why in Yang Zing). Dolls would realistically have to use CotH on a Cydra they fused but that means they would have CotH which I don't think they use. Like if any deck ALWAYS has a monster it's Shaddoll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Alternatively, will the TCG see how f***ed it is and actually hit it before NECH? I can definitely see them bumping this to at least an Ultra, though I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up a Secret tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I want this to be secret. This'll look damn sexy in secret foiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriannis Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 This thing doesn't discard, it 'sends' so no dark world effects A good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Now that I think about it the mirror doesn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 gg no re win forevar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 gg no re win forevar Does it lose by 100 ATK or will it end up at 3000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Does it lose by 100 ATK or will it end up at 3000? It'll end up at 3100 assuming they have tool and something else but if they have 2 ATK modifiers you still lose. I'm just gonna side in another Excal in Tellas and I'll figure out something for other decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 ITT: Konami is trying to make Equip Spells legitimate. Really, you'll have to equip Mage Powers and Axe of Despairs to get over this thing. Or, you can play Bujins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 or you can just side in Cyber dragons and fortress the damn thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 or you can just side in Cyber dragons and fortress the damn thing. You mean like back in 2009-2011? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I almost wonder if this is the real boss monster, given that it appears to only be a part of the kabbalah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I almost wonder if this is the real boss monster, given that it appears to only be a part of the kabbalah. Their boss, the Ain Soph is Sophia. Or whoever came from the result of NephyxKiller union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krakonfour Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 So basically, the only way to beat this is to (special) summon a monster with 3500+ ATK in one turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 So basically, the only way to beat this is to (special) summon a monster with 3500+ ATK in one turn. Chimeratech is a 1 card out that still removes it even if they negate it. Excal becomes 4000. DRXD if they leave one out next to Killer. Lava Golem/Satan Claws/Volcanic Queen Skill Drain pre-emptively Neo Tachyon is gonna run this over anyway, but can negate it. (Use the Seventh One) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 In terms of Kabbalah, I'm very certain that this guy stands as either Keter or Da'at. Granted, it could also be Malkuth, since in that one trap where you get a close-up of the Sephiroth, you see Tool integrating with the Tiferet Sephirot. Which means trying to accurately guess which Qliphoth is which Sephirot is kinda moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I like how you all are going to run Skill Drain in Qliphoths when I'm going to use something that requires a bit more skill but lets Shell keep the piercing doubletaps, making it a secondary boss overall. Also, this helps with the Archetype overall by restoring their lost ATK power: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I like how you all are going to run Skill Drain in Qliphoths when I'm going to use something that requires a bit more skill but lets Shell keep the piercing doubletaps, making it a secondary boss overall. I don't think anyone is gonna run Skill Drain with all the support revealed. Then again, no one outside of Japan can use the deck yet. Also, tributing puts cards in the extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted July 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 In terms of Kabbalah, I'm very certain that this guy stands as either Keter or Da'at. Granted, it could also be Malkuth, since in that one trap where you get a close-up of the Sephiroth, you see Tool integrating with the Tiferet Sephirot. Which means trying to accurately guess which Qliphoth is which Sephirot is kinda moot. Tool isn't integrating with the Tree of Life, it's coming out of the Tif'eret. It's an inverted Tree and each of the ten Sephirot houses the core of one of the Gem-Knights. Each one generates a different Qliphoth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I don't think anyone is gonna run Skill Drain with all the support revealed. Then again, no one outside of Japan can use the deck yet. Also, tributing puts cards in the extra. Hence why I said it requires a bit more skill. You Pendulum the fodders back out and then activate Erupt. Even better if you used Escalation to Summon Shell/Killer on the opponent's turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Hence why I said it requires a bit more skill. You Pendulum the fodders back out and then activate Erupt. Even better if you used Escalation to Summon Shell/Killer on the opponent's turn. That's not skill, that's straight up bad deckbuilding that results in dead draws. Tool isn't integrating with the Tree of Life, it's coming out of the Tif'eret. It's an inverted Tree and each of the ten Sephirot houses the core of one of the Gem-Knights. Each one generates a different Qliphoth. Was discussing with another member, and they found another meaning for Shekhinah. Malkuth, the bottom of the ten Sephirot that links it to the Qliphoth. Which means that, given the upside down tree... It's likely that Nephilim/Killer's fusion now has the powers of both the Sephiroth (Naturia Sacred Tree) and the entire Qliphoth now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 But, the problem is that only 9 spheres came out of Egrystal's body. So what creates the 10th? My theory is that Tool is the Qliphoth that activates the Tree, and thus begins Qliphoth production. EDIT: Nevermind, I can't count. 10 spheres leave Egrystal's body. I assume the rainbow coloured one that leaves him last is probably the one that becomes Apoqliphoth. It would make sense as to how Nephilim took it over, since the Rainbow is obviously Crystal's core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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