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We all know this card. What are your thoughts on it today, now that we're in a format that's so dominated by Qliphorts and Pendulums (which have no use for Reborn) are becoming more popular? It's limited currently in the OCG, do you think it deserves it's ban in TCG?

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Here's the thing: I have a love-hate relationship with this card...probably like most people do.

 

It's an amazingly good card, able to revive a key monster from your Grave, or even one from the opponent's Grave. It's simple, yet amazingly good.

 

But it also gives so many ill-deserved comeback wins that seeing it played feels unfair, even if you're the one playing it. This was an even bigger issue when BLS- Envoy was so widespread. There were enough cards that could win games in an instant, and even if you got past one, your opponent could bring it back...or you could.

 

I love Reborn more than Snatch Steal, but I feel Reborn should stay banned. (And I all but refused to upgrade my RL Decks with Snatch Steal, in the hopes it'll get rebanned promptly next list).

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Soul Charge tends to create insurmountable advantage, but it doesn't win the game that turn. Also, there are times when the penalty is not proportionate to cost, and you have to wait for it to prime. Or you overpay the cost and get dunked by Kama 2. 

 

Monster Reborn is costless, without restriction and can easily win the game the turn it's played. That doesn't mean it's better than Charge, but it's way sackier.

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The thing I really dislike about Soul Charge is when people open insanely strong boards where you have to spend all of your resources getting around it.

 

Then next turn they Soul Charge it all back and it doesn't matter that their life is low, you can't get over it again.

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The format isn't anywhere near "dominated" by Qliphorts and pendulums. Just because it's pretty bad in Qliphort doesn't mean it wouldn't be silly in Nekroz, BA or any other deck. It's a stupid stupid topdeck and I don't think it's good for the game at all. Happy to have this stay banned.

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Really, what's Konami's logic with keeping cards like Soul Charge and Snatch Steal limited but keeping this card banned?  All three should burn in Yugimonz hell.  They're blasphemous magic.

 

Reminder that some of the dogmas of Christianity are that Jesus raised himself from the dead, that Jesus filled his disciples with the Holy Spirit, and that Jesus forgave thieves all the way up until his death.

 

If anything, for the sake of Jesus, all three should be off the list. Oh God, please no, Someone save us.

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Really, what's Konami's logic with keeping cards like Soul Charge and Snatch Steal limited but keeping this card banned?  All three should burn in Yugimonz hell.  They're blasphemous magic.

 

chill o.o

 

Snatch Steal's been unbanned for less than a format and it's not as if it's making the format unplayable or anything, I suppose Konami just wanted to test and see if it was actually able to be unbanned and stay unbanned. Obviously it's kinda dumb but I appreciate the idea.

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chill o.o

 

Snatch Steal's been unbanned for less than a format and it's not as if it's making the format unplayable or anything, I suppose Konami just wanted to test and see if it was actually able to be unbanned and stay unbanned. Obviously it's kinda dumb but I appreciate the idea.

 

My logic is very conservative when it comes to the banlist.  Things that enter into the Forbidden portion should remain Forbidden.  Any experimentation with unbanning cards is blasphemous to me.

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The format isn't anywhere near "dominated" by Qliphorts and pendulums. Just because it's pretty bad in Qliphort doesn't mean it wouldn't be silly in Nekroz, BA or any other deck. It's a stupid stupid topdeck and I don't think it's good for the game at all. Happy to have this stay banned.

 

Since all Nekroz Rituals are nomis, I'm curious on what they'd want to revive. The Strategist for a second use is all that really comes to mind.

 

 

 

 @OT: The card is just as sacky as ever. 

Though I remember back in the day either this or Brain Control being top decked would lead to filling up enough damage for OTKs pretty early on. With that in mind none of those should ever come off the list.

However, Snatch Steal is pretty much like Brain Control but searchable (even though nobody really searches it out) and MSTable, and that's not exactly taking the game by storm, so I really have no idea how those sacky "+1 big monster on board" effects would really fair....

Ideally of course not, but its impact really could go either way at this point...

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That's... not really a coherent point.

They aren't comparable i nthe least.

Other than the fact that they were each at one point limited.

But yeah. Reborn does not need to come back and really never should. Impact or not, it's not well designed for the way the game is played today. 10-15 years ago it was fine but ygo has evolved too much for power cards like this to roam so easily.
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Explain how Book Of Moon is good compared to Dark Hole

As a side note, why is Reborn limited in OCG but forbidden here? Did the OCG ban Soul Charge?

 

Heh...have you seen the OCG list?

 

Like, not even counting the uber-banned cards that got erratas and now are allowed back, the OCG has some CRAZY stuff off the list.

 

Also, Book of Moon is a reactive card (Quick-Play providing this) with a variety of uses. Dark Hole is not reactive, being a Normal Spell, and has one basic function, which is a blanket monster wipe. Book can be used defensively, either flipping your monster down to turtle, or block a monster's attack by setting it. It can hinder plays, by flipping a key Tuner/non-Tuner or monster that would be used as Xyz Material. It can flip a monster down before the opponent can activate the Ignition Effect. It can flip your own Flip Effect monster down  to re-use. It can flip a monster down to reset its stats buffs. It can reset "Once per turn" effects (provided you can flip it back up in the same turn).

 

Book has SO MUCH versatility. That's why it's better.

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My logic is very conservative when it comes to the banlist. Things that enter into the Forbidden portion should remain Forbidden. Any experimentation with unbanning cards is blasphemous to me.


Magician of Faith came off the list, and she did nothing. Clearly leaving every banned card banned forever without even thinking about their impact is naïve.
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