Slinky Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 If this card in your possession is destroyed by your opponent's card (by battle or card effect) and sent to your Graveyard: Shuffle this card into your Deck. Once per turn: You can target 1 Attack Position "Madolche"monster you control and 1 face-up Attack Position monster your opponent controls; if both monsters are still on the field, change them to face-up Defense Position, and if you do, the ones changed by this effect cannot have their battle positions changed until the end of your opponent's next turn. So, this is starting to pop up in the ARGs... and I'm just.. Why? I feel like I'm missing something extremely obvious here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 It's a LV3 Beast Madolche with a potent effect, especially since you can use itself as a target, then Xyz right after, making the cost of the effect negligable. Plus, under Chateau, it has a respectable 2300 DEF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Because it can potentially save you from using tiramisu on that creature since you can then run it over instead. Tiramisus effect is potent but you still need to be careful with it if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 As I wrote in my guide. Baaple is one of the worst Madolche out there. It can become potent with Chikolates but you need the essentials in most Madolche Decks so this guy never gets a look in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 As I wrote in my guide. Baaple is one of the worst Madolche out there. It can become potent with Chikolates but you need the essentials in most Madolche Decks so this guy never gets a look in. .... Hes by far not the worst one, chickolates is the worst since it doesn't do anything instantly/ isn't fast enough. Plus you can easily tech 1 as hootcake fodder. Hootcake > this > xx-saber dude >gelato > run something over that you turned to defence position. He has some uses as a tech with some niche combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 .... Hes by far not the worst one, chickolates is the worst since it doesn't do anything instantly/ isn't fast enough. Plus you can easily tech 1 as hootcake fodder. Hootcake > this > xx-saber dude >gelato > run something over that you turned to defence position. He has some uses as a tech with some niche combos. That's just it though. When you play Madoche, you don't have time for Niche Combos. To quote my Guide on Chikolates Chickolates can work very well with Baaple to switch the Positions of your opponent's monsters. Negating the effects is also very welcomed. Most people don't consider this monster due to Madolche being more of a Rushing and Swarming Deck. Locking down your opponent's monsters can be very useful if you need to slow things down a bit while trying to get the Materials ready for Tiaramisu. Effect Negation is a powerful thing and Baaple changing your opponent's monsters positions can also benefit as a few Monsters have quite a pitiful DEF stat. I do understand that Baaple can have its uses but for the most part unless you are playing Pure Madolche, Psychic Madolche or Naturia Madolce you are doing it wrong. You need the room in your Deck for the essentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I find Baaple useful in decks that need to utilize a Beast Madolche engine as an extra LV3 that can be Special Summoned by Hootcake or Mewfeuille. It's certainly more useful than Chickolates or Cruffsant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Who's using Madolche in ARGs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 J-max's sig made me think that the cream on its sides looks like golden turds. Also, context for the OP please? Can you give a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 J-max's sig made me think that the cream on its sides looks like golden turds. Cannot unsee o_o On the subject of Cruffsant. Its probally one of the best cards for triggering Ticket. Also with just returning another Madolche to your hand its Level 4 which means its perfect for Tiaramisu. Again, I don't run Cruffsant but to class it as one of the worst is just silly. Butlerusk and Marmamaide are easily worse then our Doggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Really, you all talk about the worst but no one mentioned Choux can't be the worst since he's riding a pony EDIT: Ah, Dan has mentioned it. Still, Cruffsant's quite decent. It's a pseudo level 4 with huge ATK after applying Chateau's boost so it has its uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Really, you all talk about the worst but no one mentioned Choux can't be the worst since he's riding a pony And Ponies are always good right? ALso I am not a Brony so don't ask XD Choux can have its uses but it can't pull a Magician's Valkyria unfortunatly so its kind of worthless. If the rulings did state that having two of them out locks like Valkyria then I would run Choux at 3. Mainly because its pretty much a guarenteed Tiaramisu and your other Madolche are protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 As in, Madolche is starting to show up in ARG, or just this card being teched into other decks? Also a source would be nice, I want to see what this is being played in. I assume it's being used as a way to pull monsters that are too big to get over, like a good amount of the Nekroz monsters, into defence so you can run over them. It also shuffles itself back in which can be quite nice as it shuffles the deck, and recycles itself. Going by it's merits, it's not exactly a terrible card, it's just in a terrible archetype that has never and will never do anything ever without new support. Of course that hasn't stopped good cards in bad archetypes being played before. Without a source I can't really say why this is being played, as I am somewhat out of the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Going by it's merits, it's not exactly a terrible card, it's just in a terrible archetype that has never and will never do anything ever without new support. Of course that hasn't stopped good cards in bad archetypes being played before. Without a source I can't really say why this is being played, as I am somewhat out of the loop. Woah woah woah! Let me stop you right there. Madolche, a terrible Archetype? Have you even seen how easily they can Swarm? Have you seen how many Pluses you can get from Madolche Ticket? Have you seen how easy it is to Xyz Summon Rank 3 and 4 (and a lesser extent 5) monsters? Don't judge a Archetype until you have played it at least once. Also we got A La Mode recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Woah woah woah! Let me stop you right there. Madolche, a terrible Archetype? Have you even seen how easily they can Swarm? Have you seen how many Pluses you can get from Madolche Ticket? Have you seen how easy it is to Xyz Summon Rank 3 and 4 (and a lesser extent 5) monsters? Don't judge a Archetype until you have played it at least once. Also we got A La Mode recently. If Madolche were actually good they would have won something by now. Also I can't really put my faith in a deck that manages to either completely go off and cheese the opponent out of the game, or just do nothing and lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 For the record Madolche has done things before, but not now. The deck is more or less irrelevant in high-level play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Madolche is completely linear. They have a strong gimmick, but the insane linearity they have in their play, no matter how strong/consistent it is made them really easy to play around. Also drawing Choux without Mew is literally the worst thing ever. It won't be surprising if they find some extremely outlier niche-y play (but i doubt about tops) though since at least their non-targetting shuffling is nice against many decks atm. But yeah, they should be irrelevant. I kinda wish the deck ended up as a grind/control deck instead of what it is atm, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 For the record Madolche has done things before, but not now. The deck is more or less irrelevant in high-level play. I'm aware of their somewhat lukewarm amounts of success in the past, I was more talking about in the present day in regards to them doing anything, my apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I cannot imagine why someone would use a "free" effect when you need every monster in the combo to sustain your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 The issue with Madolches is that they are not up to pair when it comes to an actual exchange much of the time. To optimize their plays they must make a completely linear combo-heavy chain of moves, and it is deadly when nothing responds to them. Though we have activity during the opponent's turn all the time nowadays. Effect negation, chainable and quick effects (Book of Moon, Ring, Steeds, attached BAs or Firelake, hand-trap Nekroz, etc). Madolches more often than not will stop cold and get their incomplete combo pieces lost after they are forced to stop there. That is their issue. Other than that many of them are just terribly designed. They are just the kind of deck that tries to swarm and OTK and either doesn't need to care for the opponent's cards or just plain can't play around them. The most I've seen is to fall back with Palooza or Instant Fusion but not too often after they get stopped. Then their "shuffle into the deck" text. That is awful. It is nothing but a drawback. They have never really used it to their advantage in a good way through their design as far as I've seen. Ticket and Chateau could have very well worked with little tweaks and still achieve the same results without using said drawback. Baaple on itself is a solid card, EARTH, Level 3, and Beast-Type monsters all have a decent share of support, so this card's stats are good, it has a solid DEF that can even be boosted, and its effect is usable. Not necessarily at the current metagame, but in an earlier format this could have very well been a staple. Heck even the 0 ATK can be useful with something like Chameleon. Its only flaw is the general Madolche drawback. I'd say that out of all Madolche monsters, Baaple and Puddingcess are the only ones that can really be considered for non-Madolche decks because of how generic their effect applications can be. Also, they are the only real remnants of what I imagined the rest of the archetype would play like, as opposed to the linear onslaught rush it became. =' ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 And Ponies are always good right? ALso I am not a Brony so don't ask XDPff, we all know you fap to image of Twilight wearing socks :Kappa:As for the card in the OP itself-It's not really bad, per say, since it can accomplish it's goal pretty easily and even act as an effective stall of sorts.'Cept "Stall" is the key word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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