Spinny Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Why do you need a swift scarecrow if you win the first turn? Because you barely ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Problem is that Exodia itself is a really nostalgic and iconic part of the game which will mean it won't get banned anytime soon. also the moment the head gets banned the limbs all shoot to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Just like the Rulers XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 No! Obviously the problem card there is the Right Leg. They should ban that instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Because you barely ever do. Here is the thing. The deck either goes off or it doesn't. If you don't manage to do your thing, you won't. Abductor helps A TON. I have pulled about a dozen FTKs in around an hour of testing, with a VERY suboptimal build. Giving your opponent a turn really just gives them a chance to Castel whatever you are storing the majority of your counters, in which case you have really already lost. Plus, a pendulum zone that hold the empowered guy is just a pendulum zone that isn't holding an abductor to accumulate counters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Minimania - Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I'm seeing similar reactions about this in Exodia that I did with Dragon Rulers and the release of Number 95: Doesn't-Matter Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Do you use Abductor just to accumulate counters or do you search things with it as well, Gigaplant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Abductor accumulates counters, then searches for another abductor which accumulates more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 so I imagine Royal Magical keeps the engine going, Abductor accumulates counters, now all you need is a lv 2 tuner for Tempest Magician, Drop your entire hand because why not, and one shot your opponent. Also, interesting thing, the whole aspect of one shotting your opponent gets around Chicken Race's damage clause which you can theoretically run in order to keep the engine going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 so I imagine Royal Magical keeps the engine going, Abductor accumulates counters, now all you need is a lv 2 tuner for Tempest Magician, Drop your entire hand because why not, and one shot your opponent. Also, interesting thing, the whole aspect of one shotting your opponent gets around Chicken Race's damage clause which you can theoretically run in order to keep the engine going. Night's End Sorcerer Level 2, DARK, Spellcaster-type Tuner 1300/400 body Banishes 2 from enemy Grave when Special Summoned. Will that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 so I imagine Royal Magical keeps the engine going, Abductor accumulates counters, now all you need is a lv 2 tuner for Tempest Magician, Drop your entire hand because why not, and one shot your opponent. Also, interesting thing, the whole aspect of one shotting your opponent gets around Chicken Race's damage clause which you can theoretically run in order to keep the engine going. Level 2 tuners include: Frequency Magician (playable off exemplar), Night's End Sorceror (also playable off Exemplar), and Krebons (playable of E-Tele). I prefer 3 Night's End, 1 Krebons, and 2 E-tele. But yeah. You now pretty much get the gist of Tempest FTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I understood the point of it, I was just wondering if there was another way, besides tele to get a lv 2 tuner onto the field. Why must Tele be so expensive D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Reasoning works miracles, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 you play the bamboo swords? Those work excellent with reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Because you barely ever do. Then why play the deck? If you have to include a card that helps you survive past the first turn in a first turn kill deck, you really need to reconsider how viable the first turn kill deck really is. I don't think Tempest is good enough to be considered as a viable strategy, even with this and Chicken Race. It completely relies on you drawing library and your opponent not having effect veiler. If you want to play a degenerate chicken race ftk deck, play Gishkill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Then why play the deck? If you have to include a card that helps you survive past the first turn in a first turn kill deck, you really need to reconsider how viable the first turn kill deck really is. I don't think Tempest is good enough to be considered as a viable strategy, even with this and Chicken Race. It completely relies on you drawing library and your opponent not having effect veiler. If you want to play a degenerate chicken race ftk deck, play Gishkill. Actually, there are various hands that get you library, including monk and Exemplar+Reasoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 so, what do you use with this to pen summon for spell counters, if you even bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 so, what do you use with this to pen summon for spell counters, if you even bother Pendulum Summoning has nothing to do with the Counter generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Pendulum Summoning has nothing to do with the Counter generation. I meant what do your partner this with for a spell counter deck, as there obviously isn't a second spell counter pendulum card according to the listings for the pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 You add another copy of this with its effect and play it in the other scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 I meant what do your partner this with for a spell counter deck, as there obviously isn't a second spell counter pendulum card according to the listings for the pack You don't use this for the Pendulum Scale. You search your other two copies and they both search Exodia pieces each turn. or you do and search any general high-scale to enable Pendulum Summon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 You don't use this for the Pendulum Scale. You search your other two copies and they both search Exodia pieces each turn. Each turn? There are no opt clauses on this thing whatsoever. As long as you have counters, you can search. Tbh I won't be surprised if Exodia got banned in order to allow konami to actually make non degenerate draw power cards. The only reason mass draw is degenerate is this fucking alt win-con. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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