Elder Entity Norden

[Slinky]

It's simaltaniously a good and bad thing.
It's a good thing because it means Noden won't be competing with Brionac for current money card.
It's a bad thing because, as stated, now everyone under the sun can own a copy, when typically cards of a high value like this are better suited for short print/exclusives of sorts.

 

Brionac isn't even the money card right now. It's Valkyrus. He be sitting at 60, while Brionac is sitting at 40.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

The idea of making the best cards difficult to acquire is dumb. By this logic, it is saying that a card having a higher price tag balances it. That is simply dumb. That just creates a world in which people who can shell out a ton of money are able to actually play competitively. Shouldn't accessibility of cards be a good thing?

[玄魔の王]

The idea of making the best cards difficult to acquire is dumb. By this logic, it is saying that a card having a higher price tag balances it. That is simply dumb. That just creates a world in which people who can shell out a ton of money are able to actually play competitively. Shouldn't accessibility of cards be a good thing?

Exactly. Making the best cards expensive creates a situation in which the players who win the most are the ones with the most money. #1Percent

[heraldry_lord]

Well played, Konami.  Well played, Konami.

[SirReal]

making this easy to obtain, but limiting it to one per tin means that people are still going to buy a ton of tins and konami is going to make a lot of money while at the same time not alienating the playerbase, the majority of which is budget. 

 

Not to mention, this seems to be a big ass cash grab considering the situation konami is in right now.

[Jord200]

That actually has me slightly concerned. If Konami goes, the game goes with it.

[Toffee.]

The idea of making the best cards difficult to acquire is dumb. By this logic, it is saying that a card having a higher price tag balances it. That is simply dumb. That just creates a world in which people who can shell out a ton of money are able to actually play competitively. Shouldn't accessibility of cards be a good thing?

....Never stopped them before.

[heraldry_lord]

....Never stopped them before.

 

His point is that what they're doing with Noden is better than making it harder to obtain.

[SirReal]

And making it easier to obtain allows konami to make more money by having more people willing to buy the tins directly rather than through the secondary market.

[Neutrality Man]

Instant Fusion gonn' get banned. Then a year later it'll come back and this will be Limited.

[Zauls]

"Norden" just sounds like how a Northerner would pronounce "Noden" anyway. Won't affect half the playerbase round here.

[Dementuo]

His point is that what they're doing with Noden is better than making it harder to obtain.

And I believe what Armz is saying is that he's surprised Konami made the choice they made in the first place. Rather than doing the obvious and releasing Noden as a secret rare OCG import in a core set, they're importing it as a tin super rare, making it accessible and cheap,  which is admittedly a surprising move from Konami.

[vla1ne]

miracle synchro fusion still exists, so even if they ban instant fusion later on at least there's that. 

how long before this card gets limited or banned in the tcg anyways?

 

also, the name change is pointless imo.

[CLG Klavier]

also, the name change is pointless imo.

Elder [b]God[/b] Noden

 

Also, I like how this being in a tin ensures this card won't be over $20 for a longer while.

[vla1ne]

Elder God Noden

norden. I get they don't want to use the word god, but norden? 

[CLG Klavier]

norden. I get they don't want to use the word god, but norden? 

I guess to avoid the DIRECT connection to Lovercraft?

[vla1ne]

I guess to avoid the DIRECT connection to Lovercraft?

so.. dodging a lawsuit?

[CLG Klavier]

so.. dodging a lawsuit?

Probably? I mean, I heard they have a difficulty obtaining the rights. Now it's not depicting an ACTUAL noden, only a YGO version of that. I guess that works. 

[goodfusion]

I personally prefer Norden to Noden, so I can call mine "Gordon the Norden".

[玄魔の王]

so.. dodging a lawsuit?

Because Lovecraft's estate was handled by a co-author of his and the cthulhu mythos is a shared universe among several writers, it's a rights black hole, and doing this is safer than trying to see what's public domain and what isn't.

[vla1ne]

Because Lovecraft's estate was handled by a co-author of his and the cthulhu mythos is a shared universe among several writers, it's a rights black hole, and doing this is safer than trying to see what's public domain and what isn't.

you know, i kinda want to see where the line is now. like a game of chicken involving lawyers, otherworldly horrors, and children's card games. but nyarlathotep would be the better one to test it with. 

[Blake]

Conidering that, as I came to the conclusion of Norden + Seraps (and by extension, clowns) at the same time as iHop and Nai, it's safe to say the TCG is going to have the worst of both worlds.

IIRC, the OCG never had to deal with Norden in the same format as the full strength Seraph engine. Both of them, in the same format, is insanely strong, because it means you get to abuse the hell out of Stick. It really shows how STICK is the broken ass one, as opposed to Chair, who just has a strong interaction while stick's not banned and chair isn't limited.

The clowns just further support this, especially Hatricker, though Tricklown puts in work, too.

All in all, I might actually see SeraphClown being a top deck, post-Norden. I doubt Seraphs will be hit in July, and both this and Clowns hit before the October banlist, though only 2 weeks before a format change for Norden.

Still, considering that CORE hits early August, I doubt that Seraphclown pre-Norden will warrant a hit, and it only has 2 weeks to encourage Konami to hit it. Given how Norden/Seraph hasn't existed in either gamestate, a pre-emptive hit seems quite unlikely, unless they just limit Instant Fusion immediately.

I was hoping to be the first to post seraphclowns but ycmcs isn't over ;_;

[Sunshine Jesse]

Conidering that, as I came to the conclusion of Norden + Seraps (and by extension, clowns) at the same time as iHop and Nai, it's safe to say the TCG is going to have the worst of both worlds.

IIRC, the OCG never had to deal with Norden in the same format as the full strength Seraph engine. Both of them, in the same format, is insanely strong, because it means you get to abuse the hell out of Stick. It really shows how STICK is the broken ass one, as opposed to Chair, who just has a strong interaction while stick's not banned and chair isn't limited.

I don't know. Without Shock Master around, I don't really see how we could have it worse than the OCG did.

 

Could someone explain some of the more degenerate interactions this card can produce? I haven't really followed this game that much in a while.

[玄魔の王]

I don't know. Without Shock Master around, I don't really see how we could have it worse than the OCG did.

Could someone explain some of the more degenerate interactions this card can produce? I haven't really followed this game that much in a while.

It turns Call of the Haunted and Instant Fusion into generic Wolfbarks. Also, iit can revive Vylon Cube to make a LIGHT LV7, search Re-Fusion, and loop itself.

[Blake]

I don't know. Without Shock Master around, I don't really see how we could have it worse than the OCG did.
 
Could someone explain some of the more degenerate interactions this card can produce? I haven't really followed this game that much in a while.

Fun fact, shock fell from some bit of favor towards the end of the OCG's seraph lifespan in favor of more Delteros.

And this offers more options overall. Shock's busted, but Norden and Seraphs in full force together is ridiculous, not to mention Clowns enabling both.