King Azgard (modified)

[Flare909]

Lore (edited): Must be Special Summoned (from your Extra Deck) by banishing, from your Graveyard, 12 or more EARTH Warrior-Type monsters that were used in an Xyz Summon(s). (You do not use a "Polymerization".) Cannot be destroyed by Effects. Once per turn, if you have 1000 Life Points or lower: you can double the Original ATK of this card. If you activated this effect, send this card to the Graveyard at the end of this turn.

[Flare909]

Bump

[Trebuchet MS]

 

Cannot Must be Special Summoned (from your Extra Deck) unless by banishing, from your Graveyard, 12 or more EARTH Warrior-Type Xyz Materials (from your Graveyard) monsters that were used by in an Xyz Summon(s) ing. (You do not use a "Polymerization".) This card Cannot be destroyed by Spells, Traps or card effects. Once per turn, if your have 1000 or lower LP: You can double the Original ATK of this card. if your Life Points are 1000 or Less, destroy this card during your End-Phase If you activated this effect, send this card to the Graveyard at the end of this turn.

So, let's get this straight.

 

I need to perform around 4-6 Xyz Summons, all of which using exclusively EARTH Warriors, without recycling any of the Xyz Material Monsters, and have detached all of their Material over time, without the opponent disrupting my Graveyard, just to Summon this.

 

Clearly the barrier to entry is incredibly high. You can remove the "EARTH Warrior" bit and it will still be quite difficult to surmount. We do get an indestructible 5000 ATK monster who can temporarily scale up to 10,000 ATK, but just note that he will fall to a Compulsory Evacuation Device or Dimensional Prison.

 

Added a once per turn restriction to prevent a player from simply jacking up the ATK endlessly. Also noticed that this card is completely indestructible, even to its own effects, so I've changed the downside to sending it to the Graveyard so that it works as intended.

[Flare909]

Thanks for modifications, and damn I didn't notice I made a card indestructible to its own effect haha.

[Astolfo]

First of all, this would probably never get summoned in a normal duel process.
Second of all, isn't this bad design? If you're in that bad of a position in the first place, then you shouldn't be able to completely turn the duel around, which this would do.
Also the fact that pretty much any sort of counter would completely wreck this. lol

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

This card is something I call "extreme." When I call a card extreme, it isn't a good thing. It basically means that its effect is too strong, and it costs too much for it to be good at the same time. This means that this card can be only one of two things:

• Overcosted and not worth the effort.
• Unfairly powerful.

There cannot be a balance between these two: if you make it worth the immense cost that you need to pay to Summon it (Xyz Summoning a lot of things using EARTH Warriors), then it basically wins the game just by hitting the field because of how good an effect it would have. But if you want to give it a fair effect, then it's not worth it. For this card, describing the 9,745 hoops you have to jump through to even Summon this as a cost would be incorrect; it's designed to reward you immensely just for playing the game when a flagship card like this if you're running EARTH Warriors who swarm. This makes this card somewhat akin to the likes of Judgment Dragon in Lightsworns: Judgment Dragon rewards them simply for playing the game, needs little to no investment of its own, and in exchange for that gives you field nuking abilities on a monstrously huge 3k body. Of course, this doesn't nearly do anything as powerful as Judgment Dragon does, and needs a lot more setup (but not investment, that is, unless you're scrambling to make Xyzs out of EARTH Warriors for the sake of this card) in order to hit the field, but it still is the same exact thing. So, right now, this card falls under the "too weak for its investment," but at the same time, it's still really strong because, well, it's literally strong, and free.

 

Another point of bad design this card shows is how "winmoar" it is. If you've Xyz Summoned enough to have 12 EARTH Warriors in your Graveyard, then you're either in the lategame stage of a duel that's dragged on for longer than usual or your EARTH Warriors are overpowered. You're either winning because you had a ton of Xyz Summons that kept you on top of the duel, or you're losing (somehow). Now, if you're winning, you don't need this at all. Just attack with your other monsters and win already. But if you're losing, then this card, for no resources because you got your 12 EARTH Warriors just by playing the game and swarming with Xyzs, comes out of nowhere and may immediately win you the game by dealing somewhere between 2500 and 3500 damage, and this isn't including its incredibly situational-yet-utterly-broken effect that doubles its ATK - just because you're losing and you want this card to say "I know you're winning, but I don't lose, so nyah." Basically, in play, you'll either not need this or it steals games absurdly.

 

Overall, this card is overpowered, underpowered, and ridiculous all at the same time. It's overpowered because you get a body with 5000 ATK for free just because you played the Duel with EARTH Warriors who swarm and make Xyzs everywhere. It's underpowered because you need twelve EARTH Warriors who were used as Xyz Material in your Graveyard, and there's no real reasonable way to accomplish that given the speed of the game. It's definitely doable, but the duel would of had to drag on for a long time. But, as reward for setting all of that up, you only get a Beelze with 5000 ATK (or 10000, but you can't really rely on doing this often) when you could just play Beelze (granted, you'd have to run a different Deck that uses DARK Tuners). While it's overpowered because of being free, it's still underpowered because it takes way too much setup. It'd be like needing 10 Lightsworns with different names in your Graveyard just to play Judgment Dragon. Judgment Dragon would still require no actual cost to drop on the board, still nukes the field for a pathetically low cost (and multiple times per turn, at that), and still can drop itself in multiples, all with 3000 ATK. Even if it's not very easy to get 10 Lightsworns with different names in the Graveyard, Judgment Dragon would still wreck the board just by touching it. This is too extreme to ever be realistically good without being too good, and basically had "bad design" put all over it with a branding iron.

 

Tl;dr: It's called Advanced Cards & Design for a reason. Lrn2 be advanced. EDIT: Well, it was in Advanced.

[Flare909]

You wanna talk extreme? if you guys show respectful criticism towards the individual who puts lot of effort into making card cuz he loves the game. Then you go bash him with long essay that no normal human would read. This is why there is fewer people here than 6 years ago, people lose motivation making cards when ungrateful nerds like you bash hard. Finally if half yugioh official konami created cards were in this forum, then 70% + of them will be criticised by likes of you. Example: armatyl the chaos phantom has ridiculous summoning requirements and a worse effect than my king Azgard.

[Peridank]

Um... first off r00d.

 

2nd... they were giving constructive criticism. They were just saying that certain things need to be changed. If it came across as hurtful then we are sorry as a community. But I know I've been 'bashed' a few times before but I can understand where you are coming from.

 

I like this forum's community because they don't just say 'nice card bro'. But they help you make it better. Good card design is a part of this community.

 

When someone thinks something is off they might speak up. You're lucky to get these long replies for the fact that the REAL reason people leave the site is the lack of CnC. The fact it sometimes seems like no one cares about your cards.

 

I may be a newbie to this forum technically but I've been around long enough to understand and love this site all in all. Even if it's considered a shit website.

 

If you don't like it... there is many other sites out there.

 

I'm sorry Sakura that I have nothing to say on the card itself but I'll take the warning points... just felt like I needed to say this.

[Icy]

You wanna talk extreme? if you guys show respectful criticism towards the individual who puts lot of effort into making card cuz he loves the game. Then you go bash him with long essay that no normal human would read. This is why there is fewer people here than 6 years ago, people lose motivation making cards when ungrateful nerds like you bash hard. Finally if half yugioh official konami created cards were in this forum, then 70% + of them will be criticised by likes of you. Example: armatyl the chaos phantom has ridiculous summoning requirements and a worse effect than my king Azgard.

 

Bagel was giving a critique as if this was in advanced cards. Cut him some slack. 

 

That being said his core statement is entirely correct. This card goes clear over multiple seemingly unrelated bars and is generally considered bad card design.

Also http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Armityle_the_Chaos_Phantom? Custom Cards and YCM as a whole has always seen that card as blatantly ridiculous and bad design.

 

As for my personal opinion, it'd be fine/playable in the current game if it just said 12 Warrior-Type Monsters for what it is. Which is as described a "winmoar" card. But one every now and again thats mildly playable aint bad.

[Trebuchet MS]

Example: armatyl the chaos phantom has ridiculous summoning requirements and a worse effect than my king Azgard.

Ridiculous... but still doable. Phantom of Chaos and Prisma can copy the names of Armityle's Fusion Materials to make it easier to Summon. (Not that it makes it any better once it does hit the field, though)

 

Azgard, on the other hand, has nothing that can speed up its Summoning - just repeated Xyz Summons. Sometimes you have to pull out a monster that was used as a Material from the Graveyard to make the next Xyz Monster, which slows down the progress towards making this monster. The game would probably have been over before one can even reach 10 out of 12 monsters needed for his Summoning condition.

 

And, yes, we do actually criticize Konami's card designs. Only with a bit of resignation in our statements since we know there's no changing their questionable choices. If you took a look at the TCG section...

[Sander]

Cut him some slack. 

 

"Cut him some slack" would be doable if he didn't insult Flare909 in the process.

[Icy]

"Cut him some slack" would be doable if he didn't insult Flare909 in the process.

 

Where? All I'm seeing is more or less neutral remarks and largely constructive criticism. 

The thing I will cave to however is that he didnt exactly say anything positive or suggest an alteration to make it less what it is and more something we could play.

[Sander]

Where? All I'm seeing is more or less neutral remarks and largely constructive criticism. 

The thing I will cave to however is that he didnt exactly say anything positive or suggest an alteration to make it less what it is and more something we could play.

 

Tl;dr: It's called Advanced Cards & Design for a reason. Lrn2 be advanced. EDIT: Well, it was in Advanced.

 

"Lrn2..." is a direct stab at a person. |:

[DuelSpectre]

1. It is basically impossible to get 12 monsters as an Xyz Material and still not win/lose. If you disagree with this statement then I am done with life.

2. Card is too vulnerable to Compulsory Evacuation Device, Dimensional Prison, Karma Cut, etc. Plus, there's this guy called Beelze (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Beelze) that is 80% easier to summon if you want an "invincible" monster.

3. Nobody runs EARTH-Warrior monsters any more, and Decks that do....see point 1.

Also, and this is just me, but when I am reading a response, I immediately think less highly of it when it has poor grammar and spelling. Just some food for thought.

[Forest Fire]

"Lrn2..." is a direct stab at a person. |:

So ABC saying that a person in advanced should make a card that takes meta into consideration is now an insult. right..... because that's not exactly the only that advanced is for....

 

On the card:

 

1. It is basically impossible to get 12 monsters as an Xyz Material and still not win/lose. If you disagree with this statement then I am done with life.

2. Card is too vulnerable to Compulsory Evacuation Device, Dimensional Prison, Karma Cut, etc. Plus, there's this guy called Beelze that is 80% easier to summon if you want an "invincible" monster.

3. Nobody runs EARTH-Warrior monsters any more, and Decks that do....see point 1.

Also, and this is just me, but when I am reading a response, I immediately think less highly of it when it has poor grammar and spelling. Just some food for thought.

this.

[DuelSpectre]

Long essays are fine at all, but when I saw that wall of text for such a simple criticism, I was like: IM DONE.

Ahem..

I would say you could improve the card by reducing the amount of monsters needed to 4, making it any monster, reducing its ATK/DEF to 2000/2000, and giving it protection to targeting as well. Also, make it Level 6.

[Astolfo]

You wanna talk extreme? if you guys show respectful criticism towards the individual who puts lot of effort into making card cuz he loves the game. Then you go bash him with long essay that no normal human would read. This is why there is fewer people here than 6 years ago, people lose motivation making cards when ungrateful nerds like you bash hard. Finally if half yugioh official konami created cards were in this forum, then 70% + of them will be criticised by likes of you. Example: armatyl the chaos phantom has ridiculous summoning requirements and a worse effect than my king Azgard.

The criticism was generally respectful, you just can't take it, learn to tell the difference.

Ever thought the reason the essay was so long was because your card is so shitty he can't say it all in a few sentences? Also, it wasn't bashing, it was constructive criticism. Learn to tell the difference.

And if you can't take constructive criticism, you honestly will get probably nowhere in life as a whole, since you're not a prodigy.

In addition, Konami makes cards which are the equivalent of horse-shit usually. The point of AC is trying to make cards better than Konami does.
So your example is invalid. lol

[Flare909]

You must be full of arrogance to think your creativity is an asset to konami. Without some of konami original crappy cards like "flame swordsman" this anime/game would not been as beautiful, those flaws gave the beauty to those cards. I make cards that have decent effects; your just filthy troll that is jealous someone like me who started on this site 2008 has come back to funnel in more great cards to game. I understand I made a card too good for your tiny brains, it caused an uproar with you immature trolls; well you can keep your filthy criticisms to yourself, because I already wiped my back side with them. I read your other disrespectful comment about my membership here, "no one gives shit, I'm veteran" you shouldn't be concerned with how long I been here, but don't come bash at me that my cards are beginner standard. (You should know I edit card for weeks slowly before I post it, keep reforming the effect, to mould card perfectly)


Finally if you're here to debate and justify for your troll comrade, feel free to do it outside my thread, because people actually upload cards here and they want them to be seen. (Again shows your disrespect and ignorance). So DON'T reply here anymore, thank you. (unless you wanna rate my card)

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

You must be full of arrogance to think your creativity is an asset to konami. Without some of konami original crappy cards like "flame swordsman" this anime/game would not been as beautiful, those flaws gave the beauty to those cards. I make cards that have decent effects; your just filthy troll that is jealous someone like me who started on this site 2008 has come back to funnel in more great cards to game. I understand I made a card too good for your tiny brains, it caused an uproar with you immature trolls; well you can keep your filthy criticisms to yourself, because I already wiped my back side with them. I read your other disrespectful comment about my membership here, "no one gives s***, I'm veteran" you shouldn't be concerned with how long I been here, but don't come bash at me that my cards are beginner standard. (You should know I edit card for weeks slowly before I post it, keep reforming the effect, to mould card perfectly)


Finally if you're here to debate and justify for your troll comrade, feel free to do it outside my thread, because people actually upload cards here and they want them to be seen. (Again shows your disrespect and ignorance). So DON'T reply here anymore, thank you. (unless you wanna rate my card)

I am sigging this so hard.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Alright, let me try to sort out what the hell happened and determine appropriate consequences.

 

Toyo, did you really have to post in here just to say that? You should know better by now.

 

 

Icy, this thread WAS in Advanced at the time of ABC's post, but Nai and I decided to move it upon further judgment.

 

Um... first off r00d.

 

2nd... they were giving constructive criticism. They were just saying that certain things need to be changed. If it came across as hurtful then we are sorry as a community. But I know I've been 'bashed' a few times before but I can understand where you are coming from.

 

I like this forum's community because they don't just say 'nice card bro'. But they help you make it better. Good card design is a part of this community.

 

When someone thinks something is off they might speak up. You're lucky to get these long replies for the fact that the REAL reason people leave the site is the lack of CnC. The fact it sometimes seems like no one cares about your cards.

 

I may be a newbie to this forum technically but I've been around long enough to understand and love this site all in all. Even if it's considered a shit website.

 

If you don't like it... there is many other sites out there.

 

I'm sorry Sakura that I have nothing to say on the card itself but I'll take the warning points... just felt like I needed to say this.

I won't issue warn points for the Advanced Clause break; more/less you were trying to explain to the user why we have the Advanced Clause and that CnC doesn't constitute us saying that a member's designs sucks.

 

 

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Flare909, ABC gave you appropriate CnC based on the card's interactions and compared it to various other cards.

While granted, he could've left off the "lrn2" part, the rest of his post was perfectly legitimate.

 

Remember what I told you in that Gearfried thread of yours. If you aren't ready to take CnC, then you're better off either not posting in CC for a while, or finding another area.

This is turning in a very similar situation with how you were reacting when I graded your work with legitimate comments, and even after I told you why the card was impractical; in addition to telling you NOT to post attachments on YCM.

 

ABC and I weren't trolling you in any shape or form when we graded your respective works; you, as a member, have to learn how to accept criticism on your work.

You may not like the way people say it, but we do it so you learn how to improve your work.

 

You are very lucky that you did not have one of my predecessors grading you.

 

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Yet even after I verbally warned you to knock it off, you continued to behave in the same way you are in this thread.

You were even warned by Nai recently to stop with this behavior.

 

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You may have been here longer than myself or Nai, but that does not give you free reign to disregard any of our orders.

It also does not allow you to disrespect other members, especially when two of them are staff members whose jurisdiction you are in.

 

Because you continued to act the way you did in that other thread, even after Nai and I both told you in warnings to knock it off, you're getting an increased punishment.

This is your second strike; you are to stop this behavior at once.

 

Should you choose to disregard this warning and continue to act in the same manner you are now, you will be barred from accessing YCM ever again.