July 1st OCG Limit Regulation Discussion

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Normally I try to put these out on the 20th, but the Meta has largely settled down and I have a feeling this list will be a big one for a few reasons, so 2 days head start  

 

If you haven't seen the OCG Format thread

 

A total of 244 top-placing deck lists were gathered from 20 Japanese tournaments which were held between 25th April 2015 to 10th May 2015, based on the current OCG 2015.04 Forbidden and Limited List.

 

Here is the post-CORE metagame breakdown of the OCG 2015.04 format.

 

 

Number of each deck type are as follows : 

 

763 - HERO (22%)

705 - Nekroz (20%)

314 - Qliphort (9%)

301 - Atlantean (9%)

297 - Infernoid (8%)

292 - Tellarknight (8%)

119 - Shaddoll (3%)

86 - Verz (Evilswarm) (2%)

79 - Clown Blade (2%)

66 - Yosenju (2%)

51 - Raidraptor (2%)

43 - Volcanic (1%)

415 - Others (12%)

3,531 - Total (100%)

 

 

We can create a pretty clear Meta Analysis from these dissemination

 

The metagame remains largely the same as Nekroz and HERO takes the top spots (T1) while Qliphort, Tellarknight, Atlantean and Infernoid (T1.5) follows behind.

 

Nekroz:

 

1) Konami is trying very hard not to hit the generic Ritual Support due to Red Eyes and the Sibyl

 

A) Senju and Gishki Chain won't get hit

B) Manju will likely go from 2->3

 

2) Konami went very hard on the deck itself, Brio, Unicore, Cycle limited.

 

A) Trishula and Valk arn't the major problem each being run 1-2

B) Shruit dodges the need for matching of levels for deck

C) Clausolus the main tutor for the Ritual Spells

D) Exo and Scope are both in a general 2-3 and 1-2 ratio respectively 

 

Shruit is a easy hit, the problem lies whether to hit Exo or Clausolus. The clue lies with this guy

 

Zefrasaber, Swordmaster of the Nekroz

 

Pendulum Effect You cannot Pendulum Summon monsters, except "Nekroz" and "Zefra" monsters. This effect cannot be negated.

Monster Effect You can Tribute this card from your hand or face-up from your side of the field; Tribute monsters from your hand or field, then Ritual Summon 1 "Nekroz" Ritual Monster from your hand whose Level exactly equals the total Levels of those monsters. You can only use this effect of "Zefrasaber, Swordmaster of the Nekroz" once per turn.

 

Honestly not a bad card at all, it does the job of the mirrors and hasn't seen any play since the demise of the Shock Law lock. Therefore my bet is on Exomirror. If Konami really wants the deck gone, then we might seen some manner of Clausolus hit, likely a Semi.

 

Heroes:

 

Where do I start? The Infinity Darklaw play is deadly. As the format as whole goes, Heroes edge Nekroz as the best deck. Konami will aggressively put this deck down this time. Heroes have been around since Shaddolls. They faded last format after DDT was put down by the Instant fusion limit and thus escaped Konami's Shaddoll nuke. This time I think the Heroes luck has run out. How to fix the problem?

 

1) Ban Stratos

 

100% Will not happen. Masked Hero Blast, Stratos doesn't do much outside of be the occasional MST, if his wife weren't at 3 doing all the searching for him then maybe he wouldn't be a Heavy Storm on legs.

 

2) Shadow Mist

 

Arguably better than Stratos in a lot of regards and a key player in the Masked Hero Department. The card definitely needs a hit since heroes are too consistent. The only debate is a limit vs a Semi-limit

 

3) Dark Law

 

The cock block himself. This card is way too good to have at multiple, it just shuts down so many decks. At one it should be fairly easy to deal with given OCG's extensive trap line up. 

 

4) Mask Change

 

This card may come of some surprise but it really shouldn't, a searchable quickplay out to most traps that opens Dark Law and such. None of the other Change cards are seeing any play. Masked Heroes make it so no other Hero build can top (except for the Occasional DDT turbo deck). Even with Mist limited, 3 CoTH, Goblin, Tin Gold, Soul Charge, Reborn, Monk, AHL @3...the ways to special Mist are many. It strikes the same nature as El-Shaddoll (limited) in its OTK nature. A limit will largely force out the current Hero builds

 

5) AHL 

 

This card should not be at three. It's always live, an Instant Dark Law or Rank 4 depending on Mist or Stratos. Also Konomi will try very hard to eradicate the Law Infinity play. Guess that that T1 play needs. That's right AHL.

 

6) Elemental Hero Bubbleman

 

Currently Semi-ed I don't think this will move this format due to the Rank 4 spamability of it. Depending on if Heroes get more manageable, it might move next list.

 

7) Destiny Hero - Malicious

 

With both Shadow Mist and Stratos limited, OCG can and should go TCG's route and unlimit this card.

 

Qliphort

 

The deck took a sizable hit from last list with Saqlifice Limited, Scout Semi and Vanity limited. It's still the third best deck mainly because OCG lacks one of TCG's hits, Skill Drain being limited.

 

1) Skill Drain

 

This card had it's chance, and Qli's did not die, also Train Dolls are topping because of this card. A limit is well deserved

 

2) Qliphort Scout

 

With the new Odd Eyes Fusion, this deck becomes far more abusable. Qlimate Change and Pot Wealth are cards. A limit should really slow the deck down, but still allow playability.

 

Infernoids

 

Konami's Posterboy especially with the Monster Gate Unlimit. No hits will occur in my Opinion 

 

Atlantean

 

This deck has largely quite'ed down. Like Qliphort I feel it has one more format before being really Shaddoll'ed (yes that is a term  ). However it will take some minor hits.

 

1) Atlantean Dragoons 

 

Searches out the Elemental Lord and allows for the Trishula play that in total will rob 3 cards out of the opponents starting hand. This card should never have come to 2.

 

2) Deep Sea Diva & Neptyabyss

 

While some might say this is these cards that is bringing Atlanteans back, I believe the blame is shared along with dragoons. A limit is too harsh this list. I think a more gentle hit, such as a semi for both cards is more fair.

 

3) Mermail Abyssteus 

 

Remember when it was called Mermail Atlantean? Pepperidge Farm Remembers. Moving this from limited to semi Limited, might bring more mermails into the deck, but wont break the deck. 

 

Tellarknight

 

The main problem in this deck is it's ability to recover from the grave and go on a + train

 

1) Saellarknight Altair

 

Limit dat s***

 

planetellarknight train

 

I've seen a lot of (mostly TCG) players as for this card and Cyber Infinity to get banned. Neither will happen for 2 reasons.

 

1) A lot of decks are dropping Cyber Infinity + Nova due to Compul evac being the top trap of the format again. This means Nova is a huge weak point and a potential -3. Not only, the extra is tight as f*** at the moment. People are literally siding shockmaster and exciton to fit cards in. Infinity nor Nova will be hit.

2) Planetellar is seeing play for easy access into the Consteller bouncing bastard and MP2 Diamond with just 2 material. In fact it's seeing play @2 quite often. Banning it is really quite excessive due to Diamond nor Bounce Bastard being end all cards and clown blade needs to sell, and there needs to be something to reign Infernoids in post Dark Law getting limited. Limit Planetellar, misuse it and outside of Avarice or Digusto you have 2-3 dead cards sitting in your extra.

3) People who want Diamond Banned, the Genepool does not want you 

 

Shaddolls

 

So this deck got assraped last format. Like its not even funny. Konami likely realizes that banning Construct was silly and not the greatest choice. They are also likewise not thrilled with Trap and Train Dolls topping (occasionally). In order to push Sibyl, but not let Shaddolls go crazy I believe 3 things will happen.

 

1) Construct Unban and limited

2) Winda Limited

3) Maybe Shekhinaga limited. Of the Shaddolls those three are easily the best and they largely outcroud the rest like the Water (Sibyls) and Fire (Volcanics) 

 

Dragon Triforce

 

With Rulers banned, many people were surprised to see the Dragon Triforce (Rejuv, Ravine, Shrine) not move to 2-3. Here is what I think. Rejuv is still amazing due to half the red eyes tributeing. Shrine creates massive grave set up in Red Eyes. Ravine helps Eyes, but does it at a slower pace. I either see Ravine to 3 or Ravine and Shrine to 2, inb4 Konami puts both to 3

 

Notable Single Cards

 

Goyo Guardian - There is no reason that this card should be banned in OCG. Limit. We desperately need a good LV6 Synchro

 

Magician of Faith- This one is tough. One one hand DMoC was slowed down and unbanned, but on the other hand that may have been for the Chaos Support in DOCS. On a third hand Aether can keep cycling this card and reusing the power spells....ugh I'm ambivalent 

 

Glow Up Bulb- With the recent Rank 4 spam deck epidemic, being like Hey! Toss this in and add Trish to your extraseems bad

 

Raigeki- Ark and some of his ORG buddies bet on this one. I don't like it cause HFD+Raigeki brings back pre Yata lock nightmares 

 

Mezuki- This card has rotted @2 forever. Zombie ain't gonna top. Of the list please.

 

Formula Synchron- Didn't cause problems or see use @2 wont magically pull quasar out of it's ass @3

 

Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity- To 3, just to tell wind up hunter to go f*** itself. Honestly did nothing terrible at 2, 3 can happen 

 

Bottomless Trap Hole- OCG has plenty of Trap removal and if the Ark's Errata theory is correct, we gonna get a new member. Trap Trix Engine is good but not broken. To 3 already

 

Chaos Emperor Dragon- Still one of the best cards in the game, a well placed CED can literally shatter the came and net you crazy advantages

 

Ring of Destruction- Too many decks play a low LP game. Multiple would be degenerate

 

Crush Card Virus- I'm tempted to say this can move up, but its a blow out card and they likely don't want Doom Virus turbo to go on rampage

 

Charge of the Light Brigade- OCG got solid LS support. This is over the top for a semi limit

 

Primal Seed- Ehhh CED and BLS, this card is far more live in OCG than it is in TCG. Then again the rumors of Chaos getting boosted in DOCS is a thing

 

Genex Ally Birdman- Would be a really nice boost to Synchro decks, especially now that both Mist Valley and Blaze Fenix are both limited 

 

Thousand-Eyes Restrict - Instant Fusion is f***ing limited. Give me a break already damn it

 

Sangan- TCG yes, OCG not till TGU gets limited, which won't happen cause they need to sell the Extra pack in August full of BA's 

 

Errata's

 

NeoArkadia wrote:

Updating on that:

 

Raigeki would be an easy card to push for the OCG.

 

And there's nothing stopping erratas from banned Battle City Cards.

 

And if they're willing to bend on definitions of who played what:

- Makyura the Destructor

- Card of Safe Return

 

Thing is they basically have to have this set sell on something besides the new cards and some out of print cards. Erratas being the most likely option, with the magazine coming this month, which has to advertise it in some manner.

 

 

NeoArkadia wrote:

What old as s*** DM stuff needs errata that's from Battle City.

 

Makyura the Destructor is coming to mind, but I'm blanking otherwise.

 

Edit:

 

Makyura the Destructor

Pot of Greed

Graceful Charity

Card of Safe Return

Giant Trunade

Premature Burial

Brain Control

 

 

The Ark has spoken. There can be some quick elimination from this. Pot of Greed. 2 Iconic

 

Makyura is an easy go, just slap the Temple clause on it

 

Safe Return with an OPT would be interesting to test out

 

Premature Burial literally needs the DDR clause, and maybe something like you cannot normal summon the turn you use it (Like Hidden Arsenal)

 

No Idea on Charity or Control

 

Trunade Need two things. Some to compensate the opponent, some to stop you from pushing for game then resetting all the cards. 

 

Return all Spell and Trap Cards on the field to the hand. Your opponent gains 1000 life points for each card returned to the hand this way. You cannot activate Spells or Traps after's activation for the rest of the turn.

 

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier- I had high hopes, but the next V-Jump card is some lv 12 f***er, so guess we wait till next list, also Atlantean is a deck

 

So my idea list:

 

Forbidden:

 

None

 

Limited: 

Monsters:

 

Atlantean Dragoons (2->1)

Elemental Hero Shadow Mist (3->1)

El-Shaddoll Construct (0->1)

El-Shaddoll Winda (3->1)

Goyo Guardian (0->1)

Makyura the Destructor (0->1) w/ Errata

Masked Hero Dark Law (3->1)

Qliphort Scout (2->1)

Satellarknight Altair (3->1)

Shurit, Strategist of the Nekroz (3->1)

Tellarknight Ptolemaeus (3->1)

Thousand Eyes Restrict (0->1)

 

Spells:

Cards of Safe Return (0->1) w/ Errata

Giant Trunade (0->1) w/e Errata

Nekroz Exomirror (3->1)

Mask Change (3->1)

Raigeki (0->1) I REALLY hate this idea

 

Traps:

Skill Drain (3->1)

 

Semi-Limited:

 

Monsters:

Atlantean Neptabyss (3->2)

Deep Sea Diva (3->2)

Nekroz of Clausolas (3->2)

Genex Ally Birdman (1->2)

Mermail Abyssteus (1->2)

 

Spells:

A Hero Lives (3->2)

Dragon's Ravine (1->2)

Dragon's Shrine (1->2)

 

Unlimited:

 

Monsters:

Destiny Hero - Malicious (2->3)

Mezuki (2->3)

Formula Synchron (2->3)

Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity (2->3)

 

Traps: 

Bottomless Trap Hole (2->3)

 

This is just my idealist list. Discuss, criticize, post your own lists, have a little fun!!

 

Yeah Yeah...I copied my thread from NAC cause retyping+Lazy

[AnnieShifter]

Sending Ptolemaeus to 1 doesn't really solve the main issue as most players only play one. I feel the best way to stop the Infinity spam is probably to outright ban the card. Ptolemaeus is poorly designed, more so than Infinity, and really shouldn't exist as a card in general.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Infinity spam isn't even a thing anymore. Planet into Diamond is what most people go for

[AnnieShifter]

Infinity spam isn't even a thing anymore. Planet into Diamond is what most people go for

Even more reason to ban ptolemaeus, in my opinion.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Even more reason to ban ptolemaeus, in my opinion.

Ehh not really. Easy Diamond is what is keeping Infernoids from wreaking havoc. 3 Material into a planet, especially with Compuls as popular as it is now, makes Nova super weak. Not many decks can afford to go -3 of a compuls and still keep in the game. Only three actually. Heroes, Tellars, and Crown Blade...guess which (2) decks are going to be eradicated by this list

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So based on the Sad Arklogic that there are no errata's, I felt it right to make new ideal (me) list

 

Forbidden:

 

None

 

Limited: 

Monsters:

Atlantean Dragoons (2->1)

Elemental Hero Shadow Mist (3->1)

Satellarknight Altair (3->1)

Nekroz of Clausolas (3->1)

El-Shaddoll Construct (0->1)

El-Shaddoll Winda (3->1)

Masked Hero Dark Law (3->1)

Thousand Eyes Restrict (0->1)

Goyo Guardian (0->1)

Tellarknight Ptolemaeus (3->1)

 

Spells:

 

A Hero Lives (3->1)

Nekroz Exomirror (3->1)

 

Traps:

Skill Drain (3->1)

 

Semi-Limited:

 

Monsters:

Atlantean Neptabyss (3->2)

Deep Sea Diva (3->2)

Genex Ally Birdman (1->2)

Mermail Abyssteus (1->2)

 

Spells:

 

Dragon's Ravine (1->2)

Dragon's Shrine (1->2)

Gold Sarcophagus (1->2)

Reinforcements of the Army (1->2)

 

Unlimited:

 

Monsters:

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind (2->3)

Destiny Hero - Malicious (2->3)

Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands (2->3)

Mezuki (2->3)

Formula Synchron (2->3)

Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity (2->3)

 

Traps: 

Bottomless Trap Hole (2->3)

 

hopefully this one is a bit more cleaned up? Y/N? maybe?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

https://twitter.com/yugi1507/status/607867573565157376

 

Forbibben:
None
Limited:
Shurit, Strategist of the Nekroz,
Elemental HERO Shadow Mist,
A Hero Lives,
Nekroz Kaleidoscope,
Skill drain,
Semi-limited:
Inzektor Dragonfly,
Heroic Challenger - Assault Halberd
Nekroz of Clausolas
Gold Sarcophagus
Dragon Shrine
Preparation of Rites
El Shadoll Fusion
Dragon Ravine
Unlimited:
Elemental HERO Bubbleman
Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Formula Synchron
Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity

[Spinny]

Wind-up zenmiaty is unlimited  :444809_key:

[ihop]

Someone's going to have to explain to me why Claus is at 2.

[evilfusion]

Bubbleman was something OTHER than unlimited in the OCG?

[VampireofDarkness]

All I can think as I read this is Heroes and Nekroz got the freaking shaft. Heroes can probably still live, and will probably reach another shaft in the OCG if Mali ever goes to 3, but man, they got HIT. I am frightened tho of 2 Dragonfly and 2 Prep, but eh, they can get their stuff back if Nekroz is getting hit that bad

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Someone's going to have to explain to me why Claus is at 2.

Claus Turbo with LV 3 Synchro/Fusion in extra is the top deck of the format atm

 

No Diva hit *woot woot*

 

No Construct makes me doubt the validity of the list however 

[Delibirb]

 

Semi-limited:
Inzektor Dragonfly,
 

I for one welcome our Inzektor overlords.

[VampireofDarkness]

No Construct makes me doubt the validity of the list however 

I think they are trying to kill the Tricklown OTK, which requires Construct

[Blake]

I think they are trying to kill the Tricklown OTK, which requires Construct

no, that's only one of the Tricklown OTKs.

 

Tricklown has a tuck fon of them.

 

Which is probably the reason for the slap on Assault Halberd's wrist, if this is legit.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

No Tellar hit

No Atlantean Hit

No Dark Law hit

El Shaddoll over construct, I'd hate this list if real

[Thomas★Zero]

Limited:
Elemental HERO Shadow Mist
A Hero Lives

Thank god I don't play in the OCG format if that happens.

Still I feel their punishing HERO Players because of Dark Law if this happens.

Thus I hate this list.

[Expelsword]

Thank god I don't play in the OCG format if that happens.

Still I feel their punishing HERO Players because of Dark Law if this happens.

Thus I hate this list.

 

Hero players deserve to be punished because of Dark Law.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I mean they still have 1 Stratos 1 MIst. Make fucking do

[The Amazing Avian]

*A single tear rolls down my cheek* Mah nigga Swagonfly is back.

[Jord200]

The Ritual Hype Train has derailed! D:

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The Ritual Hype Train has derailed! D:

Not really, they got basically all their generic support back

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

http://blog.livedoor.jp/torenabi-yougiou/archives/32964533.html

 

Wierd list here. Don't get too excited till Maxut backs it

 

 

禁止(3枚) - Ban

 

ソウル・チャージ - Soul Charge

 

簡易- Instant Fusion

 

羽根帚 - Harpies Feather Duster

 

制限への規制(7枚)- Regulations to limit ( seven )

 

シャドーミスト - Shadow Mist

 

エマコ ツール - Shaddoll Fusion (?????)

 

万華鏡 - Nekroz Kleidoscope

 

クラウソラス影 - Nekroz of Clausolus

 

トレマイオス - Planetellar

 

ネプトアビス - Neptabyss

 

Limited: 

 

4 征竜 (エラッタ)= 4 Dragon Ruler's Errata

 

ネフィリム- Construct back to 1

 

弾圧(エラッタ) - Royal Oppression (OPT) Errata

 

ブリューナク - Brionac OPT errata

 

バルブ - Glow Up unbanned

 

ゴヨウ- Goyo

 

大嵐 サ - Heavy Storm

 

ンボル 聖マジ - Magician of Faith

 

No Semi limits moves out of 

 

Into Semi Limit:

 

モラルタ (エラッタ) -Mortaltech Errata

 

マスマティ - Mathmatician Errata

 

クリバン -Kuribandit Errata

 

渓谷 Dragon's Ravine

 

霊廟- Dragon Shrine

 

黄金 - Gold Sarc

 

蠢き ダム - Sinister Shadow Games

 

接触 終末 -El Shaddoll Fusion

 

ド ダンセル - Inzektror Dragonfly

 

Unlimits (7)

 

ダンディ -Dandylion

 

オネスト- Honest

 

マンジュ - Manju

 

準備 - Prep of Rites

 

ゲイル -Gale

 

馬頭鬼 - Mezuki

 

ゼンマイティ- Zenmaity

[Thomas★Zero]

I call fake on this one because of the Regulations to limit since why would konami do that...

 

I mean it would just be a straight forward Ban, limit, Semi, Unlimited.

[Spinny]

Dragon ruler errata? Since when did that happen?