ihop Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 So I just had a 20-minute discussion on facebook about these guys and we ended up coming to the conclusion that there really is no best one. Each has its merits and downsides - Exiled Force is the worst against not Nekroz but activates before battle phase and ignores Valk, Warrior Lady loses to Valk and Lancea and leaves you without a monster but is the best Anoyatyllis out and the best card overall, Bull Blader is about as bad against everything else as Exiled Force is and doesn't leave you with a monster vs Anoyatyllis, Cameraclops has low attack but is the second best Anoyatyllis out. Anyway, discuss these 4 crappy cards (well, 3 and warrior lady) which are rubbing their eyes at seeing the light of play in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Cameraclops seems poor for not being a Winda out. Same goes for all but lady tbh.I understand these are anti-Djinn, but if they're mained, it seems like you should prepare all around. Valk beats 3 of these, Winda beats 3, Trishula beats 1, Lancea beats 1. The overlap between them gives them a 'score' of: Blader: 2 Cameraclops: 2 D.D. Lady: 1 Exiled Force: 1 So in that case, given you'd like to have your outs be as good as possible, you have to ask which matchup you're more worried about. If Winda/Tyllis shuts you down, I'd say Lady. If you're more concerned about your ability to get over Djinnlock, I'd say Exiled or Blader. Losing to Trish seems poor for Exiled, but losing to Valk seems even more poor. There's technically armaknight -> Farfa, too, but that's more than one slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Winda's not even a threat to Nekroz - literally every ritual monster deals with it on some way. Shaddoll will generally be looking to actively avoid going into Winda and are more likely to tribute set it for Beast if anything. Anoyatyllis is the dangerous one. edit: Armaknight+Farfa means you have to play 2 mediocre cards plus it still loses to Trish while not being a Tyllis out at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Unlike Exiled Force, you keep Lady if Valk negates the attack or she gets tagged by Veiler. I'm not in touch with the meta, so I don't know how common Lancea is over Trish, or Fiendish Chain vs. Veiler vs. Breakthrough, or the value of Exiled Force opening up your Battle Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Winda's not even a threat to Nekroz - literally every ritual monster deals with it on some way. Shaddoll will generally be looking to actively avoid going into Winda and are more likely to tribute set it for Beast if anything. Anoyatyllis is the dangerous one. edit: Armaknight+Farfa means you have to play 2 mediocre cards plus it still loses to Trish while not being a Tyllis out at all. I misunderstood the context, then. I was thinking these were general picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 CAMERACLOPS BECAME USEFUL!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Bull Blader sounds straight up worse than D.D. Warrior Lady in many situations for just destroying (which is bad against Shadolls and who knows what else) and for potentially getting destroyed except when crashing against a DEF monster, but Djinn doesn't happen only on Clausolas so that seems like an issue. It makes me wonder why when I've seen actual builds, Blader is the one popping out typically. Cameraman has the plus that it acts at the start of Damage Step unlike Bull Blader, so you'll have it survive, but it depending on battle is what makes it an issue vs Valkyrus, and it having to be the one attacking sets it back more than Warrior Lady or Bull Blader IMO. It just sounds pretty bad that it is a sitting duck on your opponent's turn, while the others your opponent will need to give up something to take them down if they plan to do so via battle. Exiled Force is very straight forward. You'll avoid battle stoppers but it doesn't banish so it won't be the best choice by default. I wonder if there might be other options that are competent enough if I make a search, obviously D.D. Assailant and D.D. Warrior are inferior to Warrior Lady for the intents and purposes of this thread so not gonna take them into account here. Also, I am not experienced with the current format so everything I say is in theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 This is the most popular one in OCG Correct me if I'm wrong, BA doesn't like being face down either correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Book of Eclipse does literally this but can be chained to make Manju and Trish dodge Veiler etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Book of Eclipse does literally this but can be chained to make Manju and Trish dodge Veiler etc. BOE also makes your opponent + and flips your own cards face down too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 BOE also makes your opponent + and flips your own cards face down too You want to flip your own cards face down a lot of the time, like I said you can chain it to Veiler to not only make Manju/Senju go through but put pressure on the opponent to kill them because you can flip summon them next turn and activate them a second time. The opponent drawing is not really relevant if you're going to Trish them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Polo Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 What about that hamster that bounces itself and the opponent's thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 You mean Grand Mole? Well, Bouncing Clausolas, while clearing the lock, gives your opponent access to any Nekroz Ritual Spell from their deck. Bouncing is just not a good way to deal with most Nekroz. Also, What are the thoughts on Eccentric Archfiend? (when it comes out) If we're dealing with TCG only, you can just disregard this, but I noticed that this card is a reusable Exiled Force with and additional S/T popping effect with the only real downsides being that it's Lv 3 and LIGHT (which can be LIM'd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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