Slinky Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 This list is entirely TCG oriented, with hits designed around the "release schedule", so unfortunately, as much as I'd like to hit L1T, it's off limits. Banned: (9)Denko SekkaDjinn, Releaser of RitualsInzektor HornetRoyal Magical LibraryBlaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment BirdNekroz of TrishulaLavalval ChainRaigekiLife Equalizer LIMITED: (11)Qliphort ScoutCir, Malebranche of the Burning AbyssGraff, Malebranche of the Burning AbyssSanganWitch of the Black ForestNekroz of UnicoreEl-Shaddoll ConstructThousand-Eyes RestrictDark HoleEl-Shaddoll FusionMistake Semi-Limited: (11)Inzektor DragonflySatellarknight AltairTour Guide from the UnderworldWind-Up MagicianBook of MoonFire Formation - TenkiInstant FusionReinforcement of the ArmySummoner's ArtCompulsory Evacuation DeviceMind Crush No Longer Restricted: (7)Glow-Up BulbNight AssailantTragoediaSinister SerpentDark Strike FighterSacred Sword of Seven StarsTemple of the Kings If you have questions about any of the choices, feel free to inquire. A few of them are water testing, others are obvious, some are less harsh than what others would put them at, and some have just been neglected for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 I'd like to know the reasoning behind Dark Hole (some people put it at 3), and Instant Fusion (it being at 2 won't change anything, imo). Everything else sounds ok-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Instant Fusion is a minor hit, and also something to allow TER to come back up. It could be argued IF shouldn't be hit at all until Noden actually gets here, but this is just being cautious. I just don't like field nukers in general, especially in most cases, a Dark Hole is essentially a Raigeki anyways. Most decks run some form of field nuking, be it BRD fo Synchroes or Exciton for R4. And I just don't feel comfortable leaving Dark Hole at more than 1 as long as those cards exist. But I wouldn't want to hit those anyway, because their existence also promotes resource management. That, and people will just gravitate to Dark Hole anyway if Raigeki goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 I'd like to know why Swagonfly isn't at 3 here. With Hornet gone, the deck becomes an xyz engine instead of "Hornet, effect, pop pop pop watching card advantage drop" and a third Dragonfly wouldn't really do a lot of damage in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Test phase. Dragonfly isn't something I'd like to see shoot straight to 3 without testing it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamaw Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 >Trish and Chain are the problem cards in Nekroz>denko is banned, it's unfair r-right guys>Dark Hole to 1>Raigeki is totally broken, guys!>Hitting Construct because it'll totally kill the deck>WotB to 1>hitting Inzektors, which haven't been relevant for years, and not even bringing Dragonfly to 3>salty attempts to make BA completely unplayable>Mistake and Mind Crush hit>SEARCHERS TO 2>hitting tellars(Altair, no less-- they still have 7 cards for bringing it out, post-this list)>Hitting Scout and failing to see exactly why the deck succeeds MORE SALT THAN FOREST FIRE'S LIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 >Trish and Chain are the problem cards in Nekroz>denko is banned, it's unfair r-right guys>Dark Hole to 1>Raigeki is totally broken, guys!>Hitting Construct because it'll totally kill the deck>WotB to 1>hitting Inzektors, which haven't been relevant for years, and not even bringing Dragonfly to 3>salty attempts to make BA completely unplayable>Mistake and Mind Crush hit>SEARCHERS TO 2>hitting tellars(Altair, no less-- they still have 7 cards for bringing it out, post-this list)>Hitting Scout and failing to see exactly why the deck succeeds MORE SALT THAN FOREST FIRE'S LISTHe made good calls for the most part, get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamaw Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 He made good calls for the most part, get over yourself.No, but seriously. It's the funniest thing I've seen all day. 'Get over yourself' implies I'm mad-- it's quite the opposite. Are you telling me to stop having fun? In which case, that is also funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 I mean, you were basically pointing out a lot of good things in his list, calling them salt, which is blatantly antagonistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 He made good calls for the most part, get over yourself.>Nekroz Trishula banned>Cycle Untouched>Temple of the Kings and EoS still limited>Good Calls sheet son, its Saturday NIGHT live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 >Nekroz Trishula banned>Cycle Untouched>Temple of the Kings and EoS still limited>Good Calls sheet son, its Saturday NIGHT liveLook around. These are extremely popular calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Look around. These are extremely popular calls.The french revolution was popular to begin with, doesn't mean its correct. Give me one good reason Temple and Spirit should not be at 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 The french revolution was popular to begin with, doesn't mean its correct. Give me one good reason Temple and Spirit should not be at 3Because nobody gives a sheet about them. Honestly, the Trish argument is what matters at the moment, and it is due to how Trish operates differently in the two formats. This isn't a matter of you being bad at all, or anyone for that matter, just different ideologies and play styles. In TCG, people like Nekroz. The hits you suggest would kill the deck, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Because nobody gives a s*** about them. Honestly, the Trish argument is what matters at the moment, and it is due to how Trish operates differently in the two formats. This isn't a matter of you being bad at all, or anyone for that matter, just different ideologies and play styles. In TCG, people like Nekroz. The hits you suggest would kill the deck, honestly.Brio, Unicore, and Cycle to 1 would not kill the deck at all. You would have to run more Scope, not have as many XYZ's in the extra, and *GASP* have to run a creative engine like Deskbots or Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Diva engine is dead in TCG btw, just a reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Diva engine is dead in TCG btw, just a reminder.Diva engine is the inferior engine in any case though. For those of you who have no idea what these "engines" are Diva->Heavy Infantry->Normal Gishki chain, look at top 3 and add 1) Go into Herald with Diva+Infantry then rank 4 Nyarla with Chain 2) Go into Stardust Spark and lock Royal Decree Deskbots Deskbot 3, tool desk 1, summon herald. Deskbot 4 is the late game synchro aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 No, but seriously. It's the funniest thing I've seen all day. 'Get over yourself' implies I'm mad-- it's quite the opposite. Are you telling me to stop having fun? In which case, that is also funny. please stop posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 TER is an interesting pick, but I'm not sure it's going to be as impactless as people act like it would be. From what I can tell, with Noden on the horizon, players will already be preparing to tech Instant Fusion into their decks if they're able to make any use of his popular Xyz and, to a lesser extent, Synchro plays. With that said, it's no stretch of mind that players wouldn't be able to tech him in at 1 in their decks to work with the Instant Fusion they will probably be already running. So then how would this guy be used? For the equip effect that does not target. On paper, the Instant Fusion play seems like a -1, but in practice you've given a splashable non-targeting, non-destruction removal that gets rid of that monster once Instant Fusion's effect does away with TER. Now, I know a lot of people like to think "Yeah but what would TER do you jerks just hate Goat Format". But that's what he would do; he would be a 100% splashable non target, non destruction removal. That's pretty big, I have to say. You're essentially giving every deck a 101 or Castel that requires little to no setup using cards they will already be using. In my opinion, this seems to be the reason that Thousand Eyes Restrict was banned. It becomes the next Snatch Steal as a card that's a very sacky form of removal. While it may not have the same huge impact as Snatch Steal, the effect is still there: a non-target, non-destruction removal that's splashable in every deck. Now, with Instant fusion Semi'd in this list, being able to run both is very easy and very simple, and makes the sackiness of Instant Fusion very extreme. It creates an extremely versatile card and creates a sort of Pot of Greed situation, where you would be an idiot not to run it. To me, it seems like a very, very risky addition to the game.Other than that, the other cards I'm looking at with a ":/" face are Sangan and Witch of the Black Forest, for similar PoG reasons* I'm also very skeptical over Book of Moon at 2, knowing exactly how very, very good that card is.Other than that, I like the changes made. It takes a more fair approach in hitting which decks and looks like you're wanting to bring things to a more fair playing ground instead of just chopping the heads off the top decks. I'm especially a big fan of Mind Crush to 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 TER is an interesting pick, but I'm not sure it's going to be as impactless as people act like it would be.I'd like to touch on this. While I disagree on unbanning TER on /this/ list, I think 1 IF, 1 TER, and Norden is a good way to bring TER back. It gives TER as an option, but summoning it means giving up a different powerful option for IF. With IF at 2, this doesn't exist in the same mind game, but I'd be at least interested to see how it would work out if IF was limited. I don't think it'd be impactless, I just think Norden is all around better, so it really takes some thought about which to make and if TER is worth the space. Also, while I'm wary of witch, Sangan can easily come back right now. 1 TGU and no deck that caters to it bar maybe Shaddoll or lolSynchron. Even then, not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 So, Megamaw.... Please tell us why you think Denko is balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 I'd like to touch on this. While I disagree on unbanning TER on /this/ list, I think 1 IF, 1 TER, and Norden is a good way to bring TER back. It gives TER as an option, but summoning it means giving up a different powerful option for IF. With IF at 2, this doesn't exist in the same mind game, but I'd be at least interested to see how it would work out if IF was limited. I don't think it'd be impactless, I just think Norden is all around better, so it really takes some thought about which to make and if TER is worth the space. Also, while I'm wary of witch, Sangan can easily come back right now. 1 TGU and no deck that caters to it bar maybe Shaddoll or lolSynchron. Even then, not his fault.I agree on 1 IF/1 TER/1 Noden. It's just that with a Semi-Limited IF at the least, it becomes no question on whether to do either TER or Noden; you can do both effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Noden isn't out yet, and won't be for another format. Noden has no bearing on this list outside of TCG/OCG format. Hell, I'd have left IF @3 for this list, but put it @2 to prepare for its inevitable limit. I do however agree with Black. Unbanning TER /right now/ is probably a little premature. Witch is just as slow, if not more slow than Sangan, due to not being TGU'able. It makes up for it by having a broader range of targets, but if Sangan is considered too slow for the format, then Witch is also too slow for the format (If I'm missing anything Black, let me know?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Noden isn't out yet, and won't be for another format. Noden has no bearing on this list outside of TCG/OCG format. Hell, I'd have left IF @3 for this list, but put it @2 to prepare for its inevitable limit Witch is just as slow, if not more slow than Sangan, due to not being TGU'able. It makes up for it by having a broader range of targets, but if Sangan is considered too slow for the format, then Witch is also too slow for the format (If I'm missing anything Black, let me know?)uh, norden comes out in September. It would bt relevant to this list .-. Witch's broad range is one factor (considering she finds most of Sangan's good targets), and the fact that she has a good level and type is another. I would legit consider her in clownblade due to finding everything bar Chair and working with Wonder Wand, not to mention CotH and Norden. And magicians love them some synchros on the near horizon, and this makes a Yuki/Veiler find another for making Arcanite/Armades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 uh, norden comes out in September. It would bt relevant to this list .-. Witch's broad range is one factor (considering she finds most of Sangan's good targets), and the fact that she has a good level and type is another. I would legit consider her in clownblade due to finding everything bar Chair and working with Wonder Wand, not to mention CotH and Norden. And magicians love them some synchros on the near horizon, and this makes a Yuki/Veiler find another for making Arcanite/Armades. Maybe Trishula DOES need to get banned atleast in TCG. The Nekroz boner is hard .....god damn, I honestly don't know. Nekroz were literally tier 0 in OCG, and the hits brought them down to a respectable tier 1.5. I really can't say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 >AquaBoy has Trains*sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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