Denko Sekka

[ihop]

 

I'm not usually one to talk about card design, but this card is still broken as funk. The fact that it's almost impossible to respond and has literally 2 viable outs, one of which kinda sucks, and Veiler means it's so tough to play round, and the fact that Trish is a thing just makes this thing soo much better because you can lock up, say, BA's discard traps if they're relying on being able to discard their only card in hand. It's so broken in decks that need neither backrow or normal summons (and there's a lot of these and will always be more), especially since the vast majority of such decks have a super powerful play that people normally use their backrow to protect themselves from.

 

I still think it should be banned.

[Zauls]

I agree that a ban would be ideal. It's probably the most broken semi-generic card ever. It takes all interaction out of the game and just lets you play solitaire until you win. It's like Cold Wave, but you can still use your own Spells, making it so incredibly good.

 

The one good thing about it is that Chain Burn is completely non-viable just because it exists.

[Trebuchet MS]

As a Chain Burn player, I get an aneurysm once I see this card land. Doubly so if it's turn 1 and they proceed to just solo me with it.

[The Amazing Avian]

"More better" get yo pleb grammar out of here.

 

At my locals, EVERYONE mained this in everything that would allow it. Because of how many there were, I was pretty much forced to run Alius as an out. It does way too much, but I don't think it's bad enough for Konami to actually ban it. At best, we'd see it limited.

[玄魔の王]

This is a weird one for me. I genuiney think this card is too powerful for what it does, but I also appreciate that it does stop backrow-heavy decks from locking their opponent out of the game. We all remember "set 5, pass" formats, and they're every bit as solitaire, just in a different way.

 

So while I don't think we need this card I think we need something LIKE it, so that Traps are kept to a minimum, as was always intended.

[Hello my name is Enguin]

I like it for what it does to people who try to bluff you by setting Raigeki and Instant Fusion and things they actually need, only to get completely fucked by this. On the other hand, unless you can outright negate the summon it destroys so many things with such ease and isn't remotely fair. Should go to 1 but not banned, I think.

[Hexanort]

hmm, for some reason i just cant see the big deal for this card, it take your NS, unsearchable and un revivable

the only thing its stop is most likely a trap, some quickplay, it has mediocre stat, you can just ram it (i know valkyrus exist, but still its not that hard to get around), use spell or monster effect on it, not a very threatening floodgate, sure if you're caught when you're currently relying on backrow it can hurts, but that's one situation....its just a level 4 jinzo most of the times, i always had backrow allergy but cant seem to think this is worth running even in the deck that meet no trap no NS requirement (e.g heroes)

 

or perhaps its just me that never running trap outside revivals so that i cant see this card's potential....

[The Warden]

It's more about what it allows, really. See, you only need it out for just the one turn while you explode, and your opponent can't do jackshit to stop you beyond hand traps. It's like... Cold Wave, if it were a monster. All you need it for is the one turn needed to make your plays without your opponent stopping you. And that one turn could very well be the turn that you win the duel. That's what makes this card so obnoxious, it makes your plays unanswerable by being an indefinite Cold Wave.

[Spinny]

I dont have many problems with it really, but i can see why it's dumb from a design standpoint.

[Progenitor]

You know what would make this card fair? Having 1000 or less attack so you can just run over it, like playing around any other floodgate. But then it would be searchable by Thunder Sea Horse, which is just as broken. But it apparently has to be a thunder so that it's name makes sense (even though being a floodgate has almost NOTHING to do with the play on words)

 

So yeah its just dump as a whole. Nothing new on konami's part. Have a few packs if genuinely fair and good cards, then 2-3 packs of absolute gutter trash soon to be staples.card

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

As for being thunder, we concluded early on that the monster is the sword, rather than the woman.

[Toffee.]

You find it funny how This is 100 ATK out of Thunder Seahorse' range?

[CLG Klavier]

No idea why it was printed after Cold Wave is banned for ages. Konami has a thing for printing "fixed" cards which are equally broken as originals, or more. Looking at you Rescue Rabbit.

[Blake]

No idea why it was printed after Cold Wave is banned for ages. Konami has a thing for printing "fixed" cards which are equally broken as originals, or more. Looking at you Rescue Rabbit.

That's less broken. It has some strong implications, but it's not a 1-card OTK. The quality you get off of cat far exeeds Rabbit, Rabbit just happens to be good in its own right.

 

Now Rat to Rabbit...

 

Denko should be banned, and limiting it isn't fixing anything because the same decks will run it. Just find it less, which means it'll still steal games and be less prepared for.

[mido9]

If anything this just feels like an "I hate OTKs and solitaire but it's definitely not the OTKs and solitaire decks' faults" complaint.

[Blake]

If anything this just feels like an "I hate OTKs and solitaire but it's definitely not the OTKs and solitaire decks' faults" complaint.

And that post feels uninspired, and it's a waste of a post.

 

Shaddoll is a good example of a deck that uses this without being purely OTK or solitaire. Same for Nekroz, though a little less so in the solitaire department.

 

The OP even goes over its usage in decks that don't fit your narrow avenue.

[Zauls]

If anything this just feels like an "I hate OTKs and solitaire but it's definitely not the OTKs and solitaire decks' faults" complaint.

 

But it's not the decks that are solitaire. Without Denko, decks like Shaddoll or Nekroz or even Infernoid would interact more than they currently do. They're not even OTK decks. They're just normal decks that can OTK but it's only when they have Denko that they can do it without having to worry about the opponent. It is Denko's fault, not the decks that Denko is played in.

[ihop]

I'm gonna ignore the fact you mentioned Infernoid in a discussion about Denko.

[Zauls]

My bad, of course Infernoid don't play Denko, I remembered the reason they don't ;)

[mido9]

But it's not the decks that are solitaire. Without Denko, decks like Shaddoll or Nekroz or even Infernoid would interact more than they currently do. They're not even OTK decks. They're just normal decks that can OTK but it's only when they have Denko that they can do it without having to worry about the opponent. It is Denko's fault, not the decks that Denko is played in.

Yeah, but most of these decks shouldnt (or at least not to the point where it's consistent enough for denko to be a full cold wave instead of just a disruption) be able to OTK at all.

 

It's just that well, I cant say OTKs are fine just because you can have backrow, especially if you dont actually get your backrow/your opponent has enough answers to your backrow without denko, especially when many decks got hit for being able to OTK even when denko didnt exist.

[ihop]

People don't even use Denko to OTK since it's so difficult to do without a significant Normal Summon. It's just used to put up big boards and rip up the opponent's card advantage. 

[Zauls]

People don't even use Denko to OTK since it's so difficult to do without a significant Normal Summon. It's just used to put up big boards and rip up the opponent's card advantage. 

 

Well yeah, ripping up your opponent's cards and establishing a hard-to-beat field is pretty much OTKing though, it just takes another turn to actually do the Life Point damage. Granted, it does give your opponent a small window, but it's almost never enough for them to make a comeback.

 

Still, saying decks shouldn't be able to OTK is silly. The OTKs that Nekroz and Shaddoll pull off normally require early game setup and resource building and take skill to pull off. Exploding and pushing for game at the correct time is an important aspect of the game.

[CLG Klavier]

"Decks shouldn't be able to OTK" is silly. Most of the time it isn't even an OTK because rarely someone bursts you down from 8000 to 0 in one turn, so "OTK" is very blurred here. When does it stop being an OTK and starts being a regular kill? 4000 life? 3000? You see what I mean.

[Lonk]

Denko Sekka is a coward's card.  Simple as that.

 

Decks that would be too timid to make plays rely on Denko Sekka to make their plays and autolose against backrow-heavy Decks if Denko Sekka were to disappear.  Those Decks have no courage whatsoever and will fall into death without drawing into Sekka.

[CLG Klavier]

Denko Sekka is a coward's card.  Simple as that.

 

Decks that would be too timid to make plays rely on Denko Sekka to make their plays and autolose against backrow-heavy Decks if Denko Sekka were to disappear.  Those Decks have no courage whatsoever and will fall into death without drawing into Sekka.

Nekroz. Shaddolls.

 

Yeah, "coward". Excuse me I'm "cowardly" enough not to blindly advance my game when my opponent has a full backrow.