Limiter Removal

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

[ENMaker]

It's a good card that is fine at 1.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

The issue with cards like this, especially at 1, is that they become sacky as sheet. If said deck draws it (geargia, as an example) it allows them to OTK ridiculously easily. Now, an argument could be made that putting this at 1 solves that problem, but in my opinion, it honestly makes it worse. Sure, the deck will win less overall, but when it does win it is because it drew a nonsearchable 1-of. This means that the deck will either lose, or draw this one card and steal a win, thus creating an environment that is too luck-based, and messing up tournament statistics if said deck shows up.

 

Said argument also applies to Rekindling.

[CLG Klavier]

Does it cause problems? No.

 

Then it's fine at 1. Sure, in an "ideal world" it would be either at 3 (so you can consistently play around it, if we want a more powered environment) or at 0 (to remove the threat altogether). Same applies to Soul Charge and Rekindling really. 

[ihop]

And 3 is not an option because it stacks. Realistically it doesn't need to be banned at the minute but it's banworthy in theory and *shudder* unhealthy.

[CLG Klavier]

And 3 is not an option because it stacks. Realistically it doesn't need to be banned at the minute but it's banworthy in theory and *shudder* unhealthy.

Oh wait that's true, forgot it's from the old days and it doesn't have a hard OPT. So yeah, ideally it should be banned, but we're not in an ideal world, so 1 is fine.

[Blake]

It's an overkill card that steals games it shouldn't.

 

It's certainly not good. It's a dead draw that doesn't advance your game, bar give you kill turns if you're set up. And you normally should be able to do that with good hands, anyways. But it has that rare chance of stealing wins by making OTKs from less than good hands that just happen to be capable of shitting onto the board.

 

Shouldn't exist, but, given the lack of being good, will.

[CLG Klavier]

It's an overkill card that steals games it shouldn't.

 

It's certainly not good. It's a dead draw that doesn't advance your game, bar give you kill turns if you're set up. And you normally should be able to do that with good hands, anyways. But it has that rare chance of stealing wins by making OTKs from less than good hands that just happen to be capable of shitting onto the board.

 

Shouldn't exist, but, given the lack of being good, will.

I give you it on the fact that it tends to dead draw, sure. But can you really call a card "bad" if it essentially doubles your resources in a deck that aims to just oneshot your opponent? If you used up 3 cards to put 4k on the board, this puts another 4k for 1 card, essentially "drawing" you 2 cards. It's insanely efficent in what it does.

[Darj]

Sometimes I feel like being silly and take a Towers Turbo deck to DN maining this just to see how many games I can seal/steal. However, to this day I have not bothered to do so.

 

I don't really have a problem with this card. Yes, it's sacky, an overkill, steals games, etc, etc. but also if the OTK backfires it can punish you big time, plus Machine is one of my preferred Types so of course I'm biased. Now, if/when we get a floater Machine archetype, then this may deserve a ban... or not, depending on the strength of said archetype and the overall power level of the metagame at that time.

[ihop]

I give you it on the fact that it tends to dead draw, sure. But can you really call a card "bad" if it essentially doubles your resources in a deck that aims to just oneshot your opponent? If you used up 3 cards to put 4k on the board, this puts another 4k for 1 card, essentially "drawing" you 2 cards. It's insanely efficent in what it does.

 

Its problem comes because often you're already able to put the other 4k (or whatever other game-winning number) on board with cards that can also put 4k on board independently without needing 4k to be on the board already. It was good in Machina Gadget where you could put 4300 on board effortlessly but struggled to put any more on, but who knows if we'll ever see something like that again.

[CLG Klavier]

Its problem comes because often you're already able to put the other 4k (or whatever other game-winning number) on board with cards that can also put 4k on board independently without needing 4k to be on the board already. It was good in Machina Gadget where you could put 4300 on board effortlessly but struggled to put any more on, but who knows if we'll ever see something like that again.

Fair, but I was speaking generally. At the moment there isn't such a deck, but if such a deck does exist in the future, as it did in the past, it will be incredibly efficent of a card.

 

At the moment there only really good Machine deck is Qlis, and they're far from needing this if they want to OTK someone.

[Blake]

I give you it on the fact that it tends to dead draw, sure. But can you really call a card "bad" if it essentially doubles your resources in a deck that aims to just oneshot your opponent? If you used up 3 cards to put 4k on the board, this puts another 4k for 1 card, essentially "drawing" you 2 cards. It's insanely efficent in what it does.

never called it bad, just overkill and rarely worth it

[CLG Klavier]

never called it bad, just overkill and rarely worth it

Well, if something is "not good" then one would assume it's bad. Might be just me reading too hard.

[Blake]

Well, if something is "not good" then one would assume it's bad. Might be just me reading too hard.

Performapal Whip Snake is not good.

 

He's not bad, he's an acceptable tech in some odd places, depending on format and need, and not a bad option in his home deck(s).

[ihop]

Performapal Whip Snake is not good.

 

WOAH WOAH WOAH

 

 

That's not a tech, that's a religion.

[Cosmo.]

This card's a really fun (but probably bad) tech in Kozmos, just for overkill when you have 2 or 3 Forerunners/Slipriders out

[Spinny]

This card makes every turn an OTK turn in deskbots lol

So if they ever become relevant we are all screwed.

[ihop]

think we'll be ok

[Spinny]

think we'll be ok

This card makes every turn an OTK turn in deskbots lol

So !if! they ever become relevant we are all screwed.

[ihop]

yeeah, still think we'll be ok

[Spinny]

yeeah, still think we'll be ok

They have like, 3 more cards? Which are gonna be more pendulum scales, so the deck might be able to + even more crazily/ gain alot more consistency. Either way, you are right. But you never quite know with Konami....

[vla1ne]

They have like, 3 more cards? Which are gonna be more pendulum scales, so the deck might be able to + even more crazily/ gain alot more consistency. Either way, you are right. But you never quite know with Konami....

in the future it might be an issue, but at the moment, and it's somewhat unlikely. i run a deskbot deck, and while they have 0 issue dropping an 8000+ otk field by turn 2 (or turn 1 on a good hand), they do have an issue sustaining themselves. if you survive and counter the first push, they might be able to make a second, but, in general, they get exponentially weaker with every attempt.

 

now, if konami somehow fixes that then they'll be a serious threat.

[TF2_The_Scout]

I have no problem with this card. Double the ATK of machines? That's cool. *Mirror Force*

[Trebuchet MS]

I have no problem with this card. Double the ATK of machines? That's cool. *Mirror Force*

Implying you constantly have removal when this card drops.

[TF2_The_Scout]

Implying you constantly have removal when this card drops.

Yes, I do.