Political Correctness

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Defend it then. I'm saying you have nothing to defend it with since's it's a reactionary, age-old, coping mechanism that we've been tryna use as a crutch due to holes in science that are not currently filled. Can you despite all the life lost in name of religion? Cause I'd have no valid case then.

 

What I'm criticizing, is instead of having a valid point against my criticism, you seek to shut me up cause "muh feelings hurt, microagressions"

You don't seem to understand how humans work.

[Astolfo]

Defend it then. I'm saying you have nothing to defend it with since's it's a reactionary, age-old, coping mechanism that we've been tryna use as a crutch due to holes in science that are not currently filled. Can you despite all the life lost in name of religion? Cause I'd have no valid case then.

 

What I'm criticizing, is instead of having a valid point against my criticism, you seek to shut me up cause "muh feelings hurt, microagressions!"

So, people need a reason to defend what they want to believe in?

Sure, lots of people die from religion, lots of people are also satisfied/personally happy because of said religion.

There is no need to defend it, people can believe whatever they want to.

Simple as that.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So, people need a reason to defend what they want to believe in?

 

Yes, it's called being objective and furthering rational debate. Prove to me that an old man in a toga is watching over it all? Cause from where I see religion's ground is slowly eroding bit, by bit. What are you going to cling on to next? The goat sacrifices from the bible or the lotus creation story from the Vedas

 

 

You don't seem to understand how humans work.

 

I do, I just think it's currently a path down to their destruction though and disagree with the way it is.

 

Literally the only reason Trump has mine and many other's vote. Ain't nobody with a shred of econ knowledge buying his immigration sheet, hell even most of his ME logic is odd, but unlike the others he's genuine and not afraid to place his opinions, if only he could back them by fact a bit more.

 

Tom's gonna accuse me of derailment as ask for my ban again

[Aerion Brightflame]

You do understand one of the definitions of Faith right? 

 

'strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.'

 

Like, humans aren't fully rational beings, if we were then life would be significantly different. Trying to argue away people's right to believe, when they do so in spite of the evidence in the first place is in and off itself irrational. 

 

Really why they hell should it matter to you if religion is right or not if you have your beliefs? That's part of how it works in the first place. Concerning yourself with trying to be objectively right about something that should never be objective is just a strange way to try and have a 'rational debate'. Given that, as of the moment of us speaking, there is no objective proof for either side. 

[Astolfo]

> called being objective and furthering rational debate

What rational debate?

 

Anyways, so, correct me if I'm wrong here, but religion and 'faith' are often more or less synonyms.

Isn't the whole point of religion being able to believe in something that can't be scientifically proven/proven to exist otherwise out of some other reason?

Personally, I'm agnostic, but, anyways.

 

If people want to be religious, let them.

Why does it matter to you?
The most recent examples of religious extremism are pretty much limited solely to terrorism.

Does it mean every religious person is like that?
Obviously not.

There are plenty of perfectly good and kind people who are religious.

 

You believe religion is problematic or whatever else it is you believe in, good for you.

That doesn't mean people won't be offended by what you say.

They certainly will, and they have just as much "right" to be offended and get upset/criticize you as you do to criticize something they believe/love/etc.

[Maeriberii Haan]

I thought this topic is about political correctness?

 

>sees section

 

oh right, this is general.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

> called being objective and furthering rational debate

What rational debate?

 

Anyways, so, correct me if I'm wrong here, but religion and 'faith' are often more or less synonyms.

Isn't the whole point of religion being able to believe in something that can't be scientifically proven/proven to exist otherwise out of some other reason?

Personally, I'm agnostic, but, anyways.

 

If people want to be religious, let them.

Why does it matter to you?

The most recent examples of religious extremism are pretty much limited solely to terrorism.

Does it mean every religious person is like that?

Obviously not.

There are plenty of perfectly good and kind people who are religious.

 

You believe religion is problematic or whatever else it is you believe in, good for you.

That doesn't mean people won't be offended by what you say.

They certainly will, and they have just as much "right" to be offended and get upset/criticize you as you do to criticize something they believe/love/etc.

Religion due to it's 1000 years of festering gives validation to causes that largely have none. Religion was used to split apart India and Pakistan in the hands of politicians when it needed not to be done

 

Religion was used to justify the deaths of thousands in the crusades for very poor reasons

 

Islamic Extremist is just the latest in a series of unfortunate events. Pull the rug out from under their feet. Without a validation, people might finally start asking "WHY" but PC shuts down that progress we badly need

You do understand one of the definitions of Faith right? 

 

'strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.'

 

Like, humans aren't fully rational beings, if we were then life would be significantly different. Trying to argue away people's right to believe, when they do so in spite of the evidence in the first place is in and off itself irrational. 

 

Really why they hell should it matter to you if religion is right or not if you have your beliefs? That's part of how it works in the first place. Concerning yourself with trying to be objectively right about something that should never be objective is just a strange way to try and have a 'rational debate'. Given that, as of the moment of us speaking, there is no objective proof for either side. 

Cool. That's fair, but when that faith is being used to dull people to the travesty's occurring, it's more harm than good

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Religion due to it's 1000 years of festering gives validation to causes that largely have none. Religion was used to split apart India and Pakistan in the hands of politicians when it needed not to be done

 

Religion was used to justify the deaths of thousands in the crusades for very poor reasons

 

Islamic Extremist is just the latest in a series of unfortunate events. Pull the rug out from under their feet. Without a validation, people might finally start asking "WHY" but PC shuts down that progress we badly need

Cool. That's fair, but when that faith is being used to dull people to the travesty's occurring, it's more harm than good

ths isn't even about PC anymore, really

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

ths isn't even about PC anymore, really

It is, PC is the newest layer in covering up problems. Religion being the largest and best example currently IMO

[ihop]

get off the intermet and nobody will give 2 shits lol

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

People defending what they believe in is due to political correctness?

 

Okay...

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

get off the intermet and nobody will give 2 shits lol

Hasn't the American Election cycle proven that incorrect?

[ihop]

idfk i justveant more booze

[IQuitDolphin]

Why don't we take this conversation to the chatroom, hmm?

[Susie]

Religion due to it's 1000 years of festering gives validation to causes that largely have none. Religion was used to split apart India and Pakistan in the hands of politicians when it needed not to be done

 

Religion was used to justify the deaths of thousands in the crusades for very poor reasons

 

Islamic Extremist is just the latest in a series of unfortunate events. Pull the rug out from under their feet. Without a validation, people might finally start asking "WHY" but PC shuts down that progress we badly need

Cool. That's fair, but when that faith is being used to dull people to the travesty's occurring, it's more harm than good

 

Youre also ignoring the fact that Islamic Extremism and such are just vocal minorities. And the fact that religion in general has been becoming much less hateful and more respectful and tolerant. Religion is rarely ever used to justify killing and when it is many other religious people will disagree with their viewpoints. Do you really seriously think that if religion is gone then people wouldnt just pinpoint their hatred on something else about a particular group of people? Is it really fair to hate upon the entirety of religion when the wrong is simply past historic events and minorities in todays society. Would it not make more sense to target your hatred towards the Extremist minorities instead of the religions that are filled with lots of kind people. Ive been surrounded by religion in my family and friends but none of them act the way any Extremist does.

[Trebuchet MS]

This has derailed from "I'm tired of PC" to "I'm tired of religion".

[Halubaris Maphotika]

I love this whole topic. If you are a general sh*tstain who uses words to hurt, you have every right to say it, but I can call you a sh*tstain for it too. But I have no respect for sensitive people who want to dictate what other people can and can't say.

 

In regards to the "Radical Muslim" myth. I am about sick of hearing this crap every single time. This is not a god-damn minority. People use the minority bull crap all the time and it is the worst excuse.

 

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

 

http://godfatherpolitics.com/24642/the-myth-of-the-radical-muslim-minority/

 

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Like. Just...try and treat each other with respect. Don't say rude things just for the hell of it. Even if you have a problem with a certain group, as long as that group isn't harmful, why go out of your way to antagonize? Refuse to treat people with respect on the grounds of "freedom of speech" or whatever and yeah, people are gonna get upset. Simple as that.

 

I mean.

SC ruled in your favor. Are you really so thin skinned you care what some a****** says?

Are you really so thin skinned that you care that people think you're some jabroni for the things you say? Think about it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Like. Just...try and treat each other with respect. Don't say rude things just for the hell of it. Even if you have a problem with a certain group, as long as that group isn't harmful, why go out of your way to antagonize? Refuse to treat people with respect on the grounds of "freedom of speech" or whatever and yeah, people are gonna get upset. Simple as that.

 

I mean.

Are you really so thin skinned that you care that people think you're some a****** for the things you say? Think about it.

If I cared I would have stopped

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

If I cared I would have stopped

And yet you say that LGBT+ community not stopping is caring too much about what others think?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

If I cared that you all view me as a cold bastard, I would have stopped, but my skin is not so thin. LGBT's problem is they want acceptance and throwing these flamboyant parades and sheet is what turns off a good portion of the people they want acceptance from

[epicmemesbro]

Speaking of the LGBT, why is the trans community grouped with the LGB? Sexual preferences and gender identity are two different things...I would assume those who support them want to make it clear that gender identity and sexual preference are two different things but grouping them together may have made that misconception. They should be two separate movements in my opinion.

[Simping For Hina]

Speaking of the LGBT, why is the trans community grouped with the LGB? Sexual preferences and gender identity are two different things...I would assume those who support them want to make it clear that gender identity and sexual preference are two different things but grouping them together may have made that misconception. They should be two separate movements in my opinion.

It is actually a conflict within the community itself, and many people are trying to get it changed. It is also the idea that fetish communities should be a part as well. Sexual Preference, but the argument is that it isn't sexual attraction but a stimulant of attraction per different measure.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

If I cared that you all view me as a cold bastard, I would have stopped, but my skin is not so thin. LGBT's problem is they want acceptance and throwing these flamboyant parades and sheet is what turns off a good portion of the people they want acceptance from

Well tbh I find you more ill-informed and hasty to react than cold.

Your skin seems fairly thin if such a simple thing bothers you, to be honest. Not trying to fight but it's what I observed so far.

 

And I feel if the problem is someone is against gay rights on the basis of "I dislike them throwing a parade" then it's not gonna be solved by not having those parades.

[Blake]

Well tbh I find you more ill-informed and hasty to react than cold.

Your skin seems fairly thin if such a simple thing bothers you, to be honest. Not trying to fight but it's what I observed so far.

 

And I feel if the problem is someone is against gay rights on the basis of "I dislike them throwing a parade" then it's not gonna be solved by not having those parades.

Stepping in for juuuuuuust a moment on the last part.

 

While you're not wrong, you're not entirely right. Why do the parades get hate?

 

Because they often showcase nudity (ranging from topless women to men in less than a banana hammick and more) and/or fetishes (Sadomasochism Leather bears seems to be a thing people bring up in regards) in the name of peaceful protest. People draw issue with these behaviors they find less than wholesome, seeing them as sick exhibitionism as opposed to actual protest/pride.

 

And this involves exposure to any children in public, which is the biggest issue people draw, aside from the perceived or real vulgarity.

 

Surely, there would be people having issues with the parades all the same. I have issues with the idea of celebrating things that should be a given, pride parades being one such thing, but I understand why they happen... Just not in the form they happen.

 

So, like I said... you're not wrong, but you're not right. Without the parades in their current form, they'd be subdued. Without the parades in general, it wouldn't be a case of something that seems superfluous in a perfect world (which obv doesn't happen). Without those, the hate would go down immensely, though more ignorance may be bred until the world's in peak condition.

 

i am now ducking out so don't drag me back in