Obama to prepare executive order on guns.

[epicmemesbro]

I cringe whenever liberals bring up that "assault weapon" myth. The similarities don't affect the function, they are only aesthetic similarities. Some are even made for safety purposes but they are deemed "scary looking" and something out of a "Arnold Schwarzenegger movie" and liberals want them banned on the spot. Some even go as far to claim that autos are legal, which they are not, they are restricted only to federal licensed manufacturers and distributors. Rather than acting rational and advocating for safety education and universal background check, they immediately react by wanting to ban them all which is just as ridiculous as those that want to ban all immigrants, both which are impossible.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I feel I've seen all these posts before.

[VCR_CAT]

It's like a record skipping, I swear.

[Raine]

Revolver Jesus is not amused by you taking away his revolver!

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's like a record skipping, I swear.

 

 

I feel I've seen all these posts before.

Don't be such downers today, we've finally won a small victory 

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

Don't be such downers today, we've finally won a small victory 

 

To be fair, this victory may not last. I'm still skeptical.

[The Nyx Avatar]

Revolver Jesus is not amused by you taking away his revolver!

 

Don't worry. He doesn't live in the United States.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

How about we Tax gun shows and other "unofficial" sales higher than normal. Mess with S/D to force people to go back the more controlled outlets

 

 

I'm very pro-2nd amendment as y'all know by now. But this isn't even about guns, this is about not giving lethal force to people who don't understand the consequences of that

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

How about we Tax gun shows and other "unofficial" sales higher than normal. Mess with S/D to force people to go back the more controlled outlets

 

 

I'm very pro-2nd amendment as y'all know by now. But this isn't even about guns, this is about not giving lethal force to people who don't understand the consequences of that

 

I believe in the 2nd Amendment myself. Probably not as "pro" as you but I do. I just hope people realize Obama really isn't trying to ban anything here as nowhere in his speech did he say he was trying to ban anything. You know how some people are though. The smallest change and they freak out and think "The government is after my guns" when it's not really the case.

 

I mean, it seems like even Trump thought Obama was sincere. Granted, he went on to say the answer is more guns, but still.

[epicmemesbro]

As long as they don't tax the owners themselves, its fine by me.

 

 

Also Trump is contradicting himself big time. In his 2009 book, he was praising Obama. In a 2009 interview he defended Bill Clinton. Now he's comparing him to Bill Cosby.... His hypocrisy has been shown.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

As long as they don't tax the owners themselves, its fine by me.

 

 

Also Trump is contradicting himself big time. In his 2009 book, he was praising Obama. In a 2009 interview he defended Bill Clinton. Now he's comparing him to Bill Cosby.... His hypocrisy has been shown.

Trump's only good point is he's not afraid to say what he thinks

[Wahrheit]

Conservative posters on YCM are just so adorable.

[Flame Dragon]

I'm very pro-2nd amendment as y'all know by now. But this isn't even about guns, this is about not giving lethal force to people who don't understand the consequences of that

This. So much this. One of the biggest issues with gun in America is how people perceive them. For too many people a gun is a toy. An item that should have little consequence to own. They fail to understand that a gun is a weapon. A very deadly weapon. That something that is designed to injure and kill should rightfully have limits placed on its sales. Amendment rights are not limitless, just because you have the right to bear arms does not mean you can go into a store and by a gun the same way you buy a loaf of bread. Luckily most people do understand this. Its just the loudest and most obnoxious that choose to scream at the top of their lungs and live in their own delusional world. Because to them a gun is nothing more than a toy and they are nothing more than spoiled children.

[cr47t]

It is a step, but we need a lot more change if we want to tackle this issue. American society has a issue with violence in general, I feel.

 

I strongly emphasize a better understanding of gun safety and gun education, but even then, you're going to have these negligent people. This will sound a bit extreme, but I would like those who are negligent with their guns to be held accountable. Anyone with a brain should know not to leave a loaded gun unattended where a child can get their hands on it and potentially hurt themselves or others by mistake. Responsible gun owners should not tolerate them. At all. Again, it sounds extreme, but at this point, enough is more than enough. We lose more people to accidents than to actual violence.

 

Some sort of way to better prevent suicides might help, but I think that might fall under mental health treatment.

 

As for the issue of gun violence, well, we'll see if Obama's actions will help. I hope it does, but you never know.

This. Holding negligent gun owners accountable dosen't sound extreme at all to me, seeing as the issue is largely not about the guns themselves, but about the increased rate of lethal use of firearms, and how to stop this to save the lives of more people who have to deal with the issue.

 

I believe that the 2nd Amendment, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, was originally meant to an extent to be a shield against the US Government to prevent them from using tyrannical rule over the country. The 2nd amendment, which is the main amendment used in the discussion, is implied to be at least partially for "A well regulated Militia, being neccesary to the security of a free State". This Amendment as well as the right to bear arms, in my opinion, is supposed to be used to protect the people of the US, not harm or kill them.

 

I see two approaches to help the gun control problem get better, and I believe either of them can work if enforced in the right way(s).

1. Put more checks on purchasing and owning guns designed for lethal use against other people. Guns used for hunting animals are OK to use in my opinion, as long as they do not hunt endangered or unknown species, use them against people, or break hunting laws with them.

2. Regulate purchase and use of ammunition for guns. The 2nd Amendment does not say anything about the ammo used in guns (but some people might consider it implied), and without ammunition it will be hard for a gun to be lethal against people (unless you use it as a melee weapon and are very good at doing so, even then it isn't as much of a threat as it would be with ammo).

 

Anyway, good job making progress Obama.

 

This. So much this. One of the biggest issues with gun in America is how people perceive them. For too many people a gun is a toy. An item that should have little consequence to own. They fail to understand that a gun is a weapon. A very deadly weapon. That something that is designed to injure and kill should rightfully have limits placed on its sales. Amendment rights are not limitless, just because you have the right to bear arms does not mean you can go into a store and by a gun the same way you buy a loaf of bread. Luckily most people do understand this. Its just the loudest and most obnoxious that choose to scream at the top of their lungs and live in their own delusional world. Because to them a gun is nothing more than a toy and they are nothing more than spoiled children.

This too.

 

I'm really really happy that he actully hit the problem on the head and tackled the gun shows by making health checks mandatory, rather than scapegoating the issue to assault weapons

Same here.

 

I believe in the 2nd Amendment myself. Probably not as "pro" as you but I do. I just hope people realize Obama really isn't trying to ban anything here as nowhere in his speech did he say he was trying to ban anything. You know how some people are though. The smallest change and they freak out and think "The government is after my guns" when it's not really the case.

Well said.

All of these guys I've quoted in this post using the YCM quote feature do raise good points on the issue imo.

[VCR_CAT]

I spoke with a friend about this, and the primary issue with the order is not so much the order itself or what it does to guns and gunowners (Which is reasonable af) but the fact that this kind of order is something that's supposed to be done be congress, and by making an executive order on Obama's part is going outside his realm of authority as president and actually borderline dictatorial. Of course, that's not the issue that's getting publicized, now is it...

[T. Sankara]

Yeah. That's fine. Except congress openly admitted they don't giv a funk what Obama is trying to pass through them (even including their own agenda). They will avidly attempt to shut down everything that Obama is attempting to pass.

 

So since they wanted to be pussies about it, Obama did what he had to.

[Flame Dragon]

I spoke with a friend about this, and the primary issue with the order is not so much the order itself or what it does to guns and gunowners (Which is reasonable af) but the fact that this kind of order is something that's supposed to be done be congress, and by making an executive order on Obama's part is going outside his realm of authority as president and actually borderline dictatorial. Of course, that's not the issue that's getting publicized, now is it...

My understanding is that nothing in the order is new. Its just reaffirms positions on things already on the books and attempts to increase the actual follow through on them.