Red Resonator

[Blake]

When this card is Normal Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower monster from your hand. When this card is Special Summoned: You can target 1 face-up monster on the field; gain LP equal to its ATK. You can only use this effect of "Red Resonator" once per turn.
 
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These are decently strong outs to Naturia Beast, in their own rights, and both have pros and cons over the other, though Vulcan seems better, overall. And there are other good 6s, these are just in terms of Nat Beast.

 

Red Resonator allows you to proc Pendulum Sorcerer/get Damage Juggler out of hand for quicker Plush finding, gives you access to a decent Level, and it can be PS'd for more LP when you don't need the SS effect (Ariadne build would like).

 

Vulcan allows you to bounce your Pendulums, such as Luster/Monkeyboard, for value, or it can return itself to the ED for any future Red Resonators to make. Dire Wolf design is strong.

 

Just more thoughts.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Not to mention it can usually pay for something like the Solemns or Soul Charge if ss'ed. You can go red into red and summon the rank 2 bouncer to out beast (not that I think Beast is a problem)

[Bringerofcake]

And it can even be used with a used monkey board to make ignister.

 

Red is one of those cards that will continue to get stronger over time.

[Blake]

 

Kinda forgot this existed.

 

Redres + Master/Vector = A somewhat immune card + steal a monster. Beats over Nat Beast.

Redres + any other Pendulum = Silence 1 card + steal a monster. Beats over Nat Beast, if you need to silence something else.

Redres + Juggler/Clown = Silence 1 card, still beast over Nat beast.

[VCR_CAT]

Other solid options include:

 

      

 

 

And for those in OCG-land, they get to use:

 

[Slinky]

Nothung's lost power imo. It's still a decent option in some scenarios (IE: Those immune to effect destruction), but Red Wyvern outclasses it every other time that is not in Blackwings.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

No love for Goyo Guardian? A card so broken, that even the power crazy OCG is terrified to unban it?

[CalmDown]

No love for Goyo Guardian? A card so broken, that even the power crazy OCG is terrified to unban it?

Goyo isn't favored cause pendulum's don't hit the grave when he attacks

[Dragulas]

I really wish it was a DARK....

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Goyo isn't favored cause pendulum's don't hit the grave when he attacks

2800 is big af, and stealing nat beast > killing it

[Kaiji]

in what context is that even a relevant scenario especially when ur consuming a BP to out Beast (as opposed to a rank 4) ???

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

in what context is that even a relevant scenario especially when ur consuming a BP to out Beast (as opposed to a rank 4) ???

Any context if Beast is as big of a deal as black is making it out to be

[Kaiji]

Any context if Beast is as big of a deal as black is making it out to be

such as? dont dodge the question, I asked for a relevant one

[vla1ne]

such as? dont dodge the question, I asked for a relevant one

if you mean using goyo to steal beast, then a decent reason would be in because in the mirror/ against any pendulum deck. nat beast is a card that locks out 1/3 of a deck simply be existing, and it hits vastly more than that in pendulum decks. the ability to steal it is something that is somewhat tempting. but nat beast isn't the only thing that can be stolen, it's an easily made 2800 beater that steals any monster not typed pendulum (including extra deck monsters).

 

 if you mean red resonator, then the card's just a really good monster that's practically guaranteed to age like a fine wine. it has marauding captain clause and can likely tune with whatever you choose to summon. on top of that, it heals you for special summoning it. definitely a good monster.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

such as? dont dodge the question, I asked for a relevant one

Stop dodging the answer, stealing Nat beast in the mirror is always good as long as they don't have a full set of scales set up, which usually is true thanks to wizard

[Slinky]

Stop dodging the answer, stealing Nat beast in the mirror is always good as long as they don't have a full set of scales set up, which usually is true thanks to wizard

 

Congratulations. You just neutered your own counterpoint. Why bother stealing it if "they are going to have full scales anyway".

[Blake]

Do... people not understand that Pepe/Pedra won't drop Nat Beast alone?

 

Wasting a BP to steal it is not funking good. It's abysmal. Most things can run over Nat Beast, and stealing a 1700 DEF monster isn't going to live through... 11-13 monsters + Helpprincess. Deck has a lot of answers to that, battle-wise, and Helpprincess for otherwise, and stealing monsters isn't good anymore, at least not in the Goyo grave-based way.

 

Sure, your MP2 can answer the rest of their board, but the issue of 1700 DEF is real, as is the fact that you're not getting full value out of post-BP Xyz/Ignisters that aren't tied to swinging.

 

There are far too many variable answers to a DEF Nat Beast to have stealing be worth it. Stop trying to push Goyo.

 

Goyo is a bad card right now, and will likely only continue to be so.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Congratulations. You just neutered your own counterpoint. Why bother stealing it if "they are going to have full scales anyway".

Congratulations. You just proved you don't play pepe. You always pop the Monkeyboard scale or the ariadne with wizard, so 90% of the time they WONT have a full scale

[vla1ne]

Congratulations. You just neutered your own counterpoint. Why bother stealing it if "they are going to have full scales anyway".

To be fair, if you have anything to break a scale(s) with, then stealing beast is going to be an optimal play(as long as you have something else to back it up). and even if you don't, if you take their nat beast, they can't recycle it. beyond that, they can't use any more of their own spells, and you still get another wall to sit behind.

[ÆƵ–]

Congratulations. You just proved you don't play pepe. You always pop the Monkeyboard scale or the ariadne with wizard, so 90% of the time they WONT have a full scale

OCG =/= TCG. I've played pepe a few times, and never have I seen ariadne used. Not once. iirc, OCG is about winning, but TCG is trying not to lose. Not sure who said that, but it's something I've heard. 

[Blake]

OCG =/= TCG. I've played pepe a few times, and never have I seen ariadne used. Not once. iirc, OCG is about winning, but TCG is trying not to lose. Not sure who said that, but it's something I've heard.

the fact you haven't seen ariadne used jsut means you don't play against good deck, just saying

 

you also are commenting on how to properly use Pendulum Sorcerer, and he's absolutely rigth, regardless of format. Monster Zones >>>>>>>>> Pendulum Zones.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Do... people not understand that Pepe/Pedra won't drop Nat Beast alone?

 

Wasting a BP to steal it is not f***ing good. It's abysmal. Most things can run over Nat Beast, and stealing a 1700 DEF monster isn't going to live through... 11-13 monsters + Helpprincess. Deck has a lot of answers to that, battle-wise, and Helpprincess for otherwise, and stealing monsters isn't good anymore, at least not in the Goyo grave-based way.

 

Sure, your MP2 can answer the rest of their board, but the issue of 1700 DEF is real, as is the fact that you're not getting full value out of post-BP Xyz/Ignisters that aren't tied to swinging.

 

There are far too many variable answers to a DEF Nat Beast to have stealing be worth it. Stop trying to push Goyo.

 

Goyo is a bad card right now, and will likely only continue to be so.

If you can put out Lizardraw + sorc + Luster (or have luster in ED, which means this one can be a Level 4 Pendulum) + 2 more 4s, you can go:

 

1. PS those 5, destroy scales, find Donkey + w/e (Monkey, probably).

2a. Luster + L4 Pendulum = Ignister. Ignister finds a slayer.

2b. Sorc + L4 Pendulum = Majester, get Luster back from the ED, detaching Sorc.

3a. Found Slayer + Sorc = Majester, majester gets back the first Luster by detaching sorc.

3b. Ignister finds a Slayer.

4. Make Dinoster.

5. Dinoster + Ignister = Titanic Galaxy/Felgrand/etc. Titanic is good against cards like Toy Vendor, if/when those pop up.

6. NS Donkey, revive Sorc.

7. Donkey + Lizard = Meliae. Meliae sends Glow-Up.

8. Glow-Up revives itself, sending oen from top, then Sorc + Glow-Up = Naturia Beast.

 

End Field: 

Meliae, Naturia Beast, R8, Majester

 

Hand should include Monkeyboard, a draw from Lizardraw, and a search from Majester, at least. More is possible depending on cards used to achieve this, such as Wavering Eyes and Draco Face-Off.

 

This was your idea correct? Goyo would be the second best thing to make here to deal with Nat Beast, I'll concede that Noth could put more pressure with neging Felgand by 800

 

If they summon Rafflesia + Beast then it's Wyvern

 

Nope it has to be face up

[Kaiji]

if you mean using goyo to steal beast, then a decent reason would be in because in the mirror/ against any pendulum deck. nat beast is a card that locks out 1/3 of a deck simply be existing, and it hits vastly more than that in pendulum decks. the ability to steal it is something that is somewhat tempting. but nat beast isn't the only thing that can be stolen, it's an easily made 2800 beater that steals any monster not typed pendulum (including extra deck monsters).

 

 if you mean red resonator, then the card's just a really good monster that's practically guaranteed to age like a fine wine. it has marauding captain clause and can likely tune with whatever you choose to summon. on top of that, it heals you for special summoning it. definitely a good monster.

Yes but still needs context because we can clearly read the card text. Is the nat beast going to be paired with anything relevant that might discourage you from goyo? Something deeper than reciting what it does and Winter isn't doing himself any favors given his current replies completely ignoring any variables rofl

[Blake]

This was your idea correct? Goyo would be the second best thing to make here to deal with Nat Beast, I'll concede that Noth could put more pressure with neging Felgand by 800

 

If they summon Rafflesia + Beast then it's Wyvern

Are you actually a moron.

 

Goyo isn't the best there, by any stretch, and you proved nothing, just put empty points that don't hold to even the slightest scrutiny.

 

You make Goyo. You attack Nat Beast. Oops, Felgrand stops Goyo from taking it (at worst) or they hold off and run over/negate nat beast during their turn, instead. Goyo does NOT answer both Nat Beast + Felgrand, losing out to it in the long run. And if, for some reason, it's Beast + Titanic, you're still funked + You can't even attack Nat Beast, because Titanic exists.

 

So, let's try other examples.

Vulcan: Worst in that scenario, because it can't beat over Nat Beast if it gets negated.

Nothung: Decent, pressures out Felgrand... but still can't remove both Beast AND Felgrand. Felgrand protecting itself just means you kill beast for 1800 total damage and move on.

Metaphys Horus: The silence effect can be targeted at either Felgrand OR Nat Beast. Targetting Nat Beast means you get MP1 plays, and if it's negated, you still punch nat beast. Targetting Felgrand forces Felgrand to protect itself, which nullifies the Steal Effect (Attempt to give Felgrand), but still puts you frather ahead. Your MP2 can answer their board, and your plays to set up cannot be hindered by Felgrand.

Red Wyvern: Only kills things bigger than itself. So. Has the ability to outplay Felgrand/Beast, but is less consistently able to do so than MEtaphys, which puts general pressure/is more valuable on the whole.

Psyhemuth: is just a beater in this scenario

 

So no, Goyo is not. Goyo is the worst after Vulcan, because it's just a 2800 beatstick, and it, in no way, keeps Felgrand from funking with your setup.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Are you actually a moron.

Yes. You got me.

 

Agreed on pretty much all you said, just personally think that Wyvern is a little better than Horus cause it doesn't target and it's unlikely the deck has battle traps to protect Beast, so your MP2 is free. Horus would likely get felgranded if it targeted beast (like you noted)

 

Sorry