Blake Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 The real problem with it in Metalphosis is that they only have one in-theme target (Steeleren), and given set order, we're unlikely to have any more members this time around, much less targets for it. If we do, that's kinda sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Run Tour Guide in Dracopal: Summon Sangan, Pend Sorc, pop Sangan, search 2+1, add Friendonkey, Lizardraw, whatever. Profit?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Run Tour Guide in Dracopal: Summon Sangan, Pend Sorc, pop Sangan, search 2+1, add Friendonkey, Lizardraw, whatever. Profit??What? The limited Sorcerer that had one of his main searchers banned and the other limited? Konami literally apologized for creating PEPE, they made sure pals were dead, and this time it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 I mean, never really said it was consistent, just that it's a thing. Oh, and Secondonkey is still a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 The real problem with it in Metalphosis is that they only have one in-theme target (Steeleren), and given set order, we're unlikely to have any more members this time around, much less targets for it. If we do, that's kinda sweet.Black, this is 2008. If you have only 1 target for Sangan, then you should still run Sangan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Full list of currently released (so not in TDIL or Yuya SD) Pendulum targets in alphabetical order:Amorphage Aplistia (Lv. 4/Anti-Trap) Amorphage Cavum (Lv. 4/Anti-Chains) Amorphage Gastrimargia (Lv. 2/Anti-Monster) Amorphage Luxuria (Lv. 2/Anti-Spell) Archfiend Eccentrick Bujin Hiroko1Crystal Protector1 Crystal Vanguard1 D/D Orthros3 D/D Savant Copernicus3 D/D Savant Galilei D/D Savant Kepler D/D Savant Newton3 Deskbot 005 Deskbot 006 Deskbot 007 Deskbot 008 Dragodies, the Empowered Warrior1 Dragong Dragonox, the Empowered Warrior1 Dragonpit Magician Igknight Margrave Igknight Paladin Idknight Squire Igknight Veteran Lunalight Tiger Majespecter Cat - Nekomata Majespecter Crow - Yata Majespecter Fox - Kyubi Majespecter Raccoon - Bunbuku Majespecter Toad - Ogama Mild Turkey4 Nobledragon Magician Performage Mirror Conductor Performage Plushfire5 Performapal Bit Bite Turtle Performapal Camelump Performapal Cheermole Performapal Fire Mufferlion Performapal Fireflux Performapal Guitartle Performapal Hermit Crab Landlord Performapal Kaleidoscorp Performapal Trumpanda6 Performapal Lizardraw Performapal Monkeyboard5 Performapal Odd-Eyes Unicorn Performapal Partnaga Performapal Pendulum Sorcerer Performapal Trampolynx Performapal Trump Girl Performapal Trump Witch Performapal Turn Toad Qliphort Scout Rescue Hamster Risebell the Summoner Ritual Beast Tamer Zeframpilica Ritual Beast Tamer, Zefrawendi Satellarknight Zefrathuban Sea Dragoons of Draconia2 Shaddoll Zefracore Shaddoll Zefranaga Stargazer Magician Superheavy Samurai General Coral Symphonic Warrior Guitaars1 Timebreaker Magician Timegazer Magician Wisdom-Eye Magician Xiangsheng Magician Yosenju Shinchu L Yosenju Shinchu R Zany Zebra Zefraniu, Secret of the Yang Zing Zefrasaber, Swordmaster of the Nekroz Zefraxi, Treasure of the Yang Zing1OCG Exclusive2TCG Exclusive3Pendulum Domination has no confirmed TCG release, and even Felgrand beats it to international shores, so may be OCG.4OCG Exclusive, but the cards from the Jump Festa packs tend to get to the TCG fairly quickly, compared to other exclusives.5Technically on the TCG list, not officially.6TCG named, not released, iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 You forgot Atlanteans-Assuming that Deck is as relevant as Aromages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 You can trigger it with the Amorphage's Tribute effect, so it looks nice there. EDIT: Sea Dragoons isn't a TCG Exclusive anymore by the way, it was in the Extra Pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 You can trigger it with the Amorphage's Tribute effect, so it looks nice there. EDIT: Sea Dragoons isn't a TCG Exclusive anymore by the way, it was in the Extra Pack.Amorphage might become relevant. Super Rejuv dude Emphasis on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Card is still too good and will be in everythingIt didn't need a nerf, but it's still functional this way. Retains all of its old issues and more, though, and a number of the weaker decks that DID want it now don't, such as Fabled or Synchrons. At least, not near as much as they did. funk, everytime I disagree with you, I end up being wrong haha We've gotten about 300 tops (decklists) using the new format, and I've seen a record 1 sangan used in it. While the argument might be made that sangan is hard to procure, Thousand Eye's last relevant reprint was in 2004 (with the one in 2011 being kinda hard to find) and people still run that funker. Bottom line this errata has made Sangan vanish and likely be safe to go to 3 I'm not entirely sure if Witch would be safe with the same errata, but it likely would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 you'd be right more if u applied game context for every claim you make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 you'd be right more if u applied game context for every claim you makeYeah that's totally fair. The fact that there's no great way to special is really sucks cause being able to add a DD Crow off a Breaksword's scrap effect sounds really nice I guess the final test will be to see if it does see more usage after the rule book comes out and the supply of it in the market increases, but I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Un-errata pls. Make some prison related card where he gets his possessions back on leaving. I don't know. Make it work somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 https://ygorganization.com/ocg-new-rulings-for-sangan Rulings for the new version, the Ruling most people are probably curious about: Q: This turn, Sangan was Special Summoned by the effect of Mystic Tomato. If that Sangan is sent from the field to the Graveyard this turn, can I add a Mystic Tomato to my hand with its effect?A: If the effect of Sangan is applied, afterward you cannot activate cards or effects with the same name as the monster you add to your hand. In this situation, you can add Mystic Tomato to your hand even though the effect of a card with that name was activated previously that turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconus297 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Possible card: Escape!Quick-Play Spell[Artwork of various other cards like Sangan, Chaos Emperor Dragon, and other monsters that were banned only to get off the list]If your opponent would activate a card or effect that would remove 1 or more of your monsters from the field while they have more cards in their hand than you do: Negate that card or effect, and if you do, your opponent selects and discards cards from their hand until they have the same number of cards in their hand that you do (Cards discarded by this effect cannot activate their effects). *is shot* Also, Sangan looks reasonable now. Maybe reasonable enough to be unlimited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Sangan was never really UNreasonable. He wasn't the actual problem then, and he's only gotten weaker with age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconus297 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 The problem was always that he, and by extension Witch, were too flexible, too good at being enablers. They helped the problem children be even worse than they already were, so naturally they were hit. With this limitation, good old three-eyes might be able to safely hit 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 The problem was always that he, and by extension Witch, were too flexible, too good at being enablers. They helped the problem children be even worse than they already were, so naturally they were hit. With this limitation, good old three-eyes might be able to safely hit 3.No, it wasn't. Sangan was never too good. He came close like 50% through the Synchro Era, but even then, he steadily got worse as the Synchro Era went on. In the Xyz Era, he was mediocre... except he was the best 4th card for the TGU engine. He got banned to discourage generic TGUing, only for TGU to continue getting hit. Flexible or not, a level 3 monsters that you either have to NS/go out of your way to set up and SS... Isn't good. Even homes like Synchron or Fabled (Which are bad, mind you) don't like Sangan as much anymore, because it's too restricted. The new version is really mediocre, if not bad, and not all cards SHOULD be aiming for going to 3. This was a perfectly fine card to limit. Sangan was not a problem card, and most quality players can and will tell you such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Even homes like Synchron or Fabled (Which are bad, mind you) don't like Sangan as much anymore, because it's too restricted.Idk about fabled, but remembering my Synchron days I still would have used this as he wouldn't stop the plays until you actually search with him, which would usually be the last thing you did for the turn, making the restriction nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Idk about fabled, but remembering my Synchron days I still would have used this as he wouldn't stop the plays until you actually search with him, which would usually be the last thing you did for the turn, making the restriction nothing at all.With all the support they got, they wouldn't want this. You don't care about handtraps in a deck like that, you care about making unfair boards ASAP. Your few NSs are far more important than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 With all the support they got, they wouldn't want this. You don't care about handtraps in a deck like that, you care about making unfair boards ASAP. Your few NSs are far more important than this.This is true even without the new restriction, though, so the restrictions still didn't do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 This is true even without the new restriction, though, so the restrictions still didn't do anything.It removed the ability to be an extra doppel or whatever else, like the warrior handtrap. IE its marginal utility is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 It removed the ability to be an extra doppel or whatever else, like the warrior handtrap. IE its marginal utility is lost.You use Doppel's effects before searching, is that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 You use Doppel's effects before searching, is that bad?It is if you don't draw Doppel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 When was sangan aggressively used in the meta? Don't remember that fabled'd meta (ALL THE PUNZ INTENDED) The old TGU-Rabbit play is still intact is it not? Point being, set summon Sagan pass was usually how it went. If anything this errata is needed because cards like Sky Iris and P-Sorc exist now. The errata is relevant for OCG at the moment, not TCG. OCG has enough 1&2 scales to PS this as well. Thankfully they clarified the effect of Sagan, so if you place your opponent under Maxx, you can still search another copy for another turn. It's not bad at all. Bigger Question, would witch be safe to bring back with this errata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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