Amaterasu (TDIL)

[Blake]

Look at the page I told you about, use search if you have to.

If you mean the Dandylion ruling, that's not the same thing.

 

Dandylion doesn't activate because he goes to an area of unknown knowledge before his effect window begins.

 

This flips itself up before it gets sent to the Graveyard, a public knowledge area.

 

OCG Rulings allow cards to activate in such a scenario.

 

There's a flip effect ruling there, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with this...?

[Atypical-Abbie]

If you mean the Dandylion ruling, that's not the same thing.

 

Dandylion doesn't activate because he goes to an area of unknown knowledge before his effect window begins.

 

This flips itself up before it gets sent to the Graveyard, a public knowledge area.

 

OCG Rulings allow cards to activate in such a scenario.

 

There's a flip effect ruling there, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with this...?

I thought that it was the same idea, being that it moved to a different location. It doesn't state anything about that though, as far as I can tell. Any chance you can point to a Ruling about that?

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

I don't understand why flip effects can resolve after the monster has been destroyed by battle, but this can't resolve after it has been destroyed by DDW.

 

Is the error of logic in my thinking or the rules?

[IQuitDolphin]

> Amaterasu appears.

> Others leave.

 

Full-field boardwipe is still really good, it's just too passive and can't be actively abused without running bad stuff like Book of Taiyou. Book of Moon/Eclipse can recycle this, I guess?

[Blake]

I don't understand why flip effects can resolve after the monster has been destroyed by battle, but this can't resolve after it has been destroyed by DDW.

 

Is the error of logic in my thinking or the rules?

Your logic, yes.

 

The card flips up and is destroyed ON THE FIELD before being sent to the Graveyard, when destroyed by battle.

 

This is why cards like the Ha Des duo can negate flip effects.

 

I thought that it was the same idea, being that it moved to a different location. It doesn't state anything about that though, as far as I can tell. Any chance you can point to a Ruling about that?

I can't point to an exact ruling, but I can point to an entire format.

 

There was a big schism in handling Shaddolls between TCG and OCG. OCG had to deal with using Sinister Shadow Games to flip Shaddolls up and get their flip effects in place of their effect destruction effects, if the latter would trigger.

 

NA/TCG ruled it differently, saying that only the send effect could activate.

 

It was a big discussion point for a bit.

[goodfusion]

The card combos nicely with Tsukuyomi if you manage to get her to survive a turn (or even more), which is really cool.

[Atypical-Abbie]

I can't point to an exact ruling, but I can point to an entire format.

 

There was a big schism in handling Shaddolls between TCG and OCG. OCG had to deal with using Sinister Shadow Games to flip Shaddolls up and get their flip effects in place of their effect destruction effects, if the latter would trigger.

 

NA/TCG ruled it differently, saying that only the send effect could activate.

 

It was a big discussion point for a bit.

I guess that's good enough, but at the same time, could have changed since then, though I suppose I would have heard about it too. It's probably just my own misunderstanding really.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Your logic, yes.The card flips up and is destroyed ON THE FIELD before being sent to the Graveyard, when destroyed by battle.

And wouldn't this also be face up, since it flips itself as cl2?

[Blake]

And wouldn't this also be face up, since it flips itself as cl2?

Yes, it would. But the problem isn't in that.

 

This flips itself face up and then it dies as part of a chain.

 

FLIP Effects and Flip Effects that are triggered by battle go off AFTER being destroyed by battle but BEFORE being sent to the grave, and battle doesn't start a chain for it to be sent before its FLIP/Flip goes off.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

So basically flip effects are weird and NA rulings are kinda dumb?

[Atypical-Abbie]

So basically flip effects are weird and NA rulings are kinda dumb?

I personally find that they make sense, if the card isn't in the place it can activate, how would it activate there? That's most likely the logic they think of. The OCG's ruling that it doesn't activate in a private location, but does anywhere else, seems odd to me, since a lot of cards activate in private locations, Effect Veiler and Honest for example, and that you also can't Tribute a monster that isn't on the field anymore etc.

[Miror B]

So basically flip effects are weird and NA rulings are kinda dumb?

No, this is with trigger effects that trigger in a specific location as a whole.

 

Another example is 

CL1: MST

CL2: CotH targetting Setellarknight Altair

 

Altair will then be summoned but instantly be destroyed due to CotH being destroyed.

Everywhere else it will activate as normal, but in NA TCG, Altair will not activate because it is not on the field where it triggered.

[Slinky]

Its my understanding that flip effects still activate even if they aren't on the field anymore.

See: Ehren, or was it drillroid? God dammit. I can't remember which one it is now.

[Atypical-Abbie]

Its my understanding that flip effects still activate even if they aren't on the field anymore.

See: Ehren, or was it drillroid? God dammit. I can't remember which one it is now.

Hmmmmm, I wonder how that's suppose to make sense if the Ruling is that it cannot activate in a private location. Freaking rulings man.

[Progenitor]

Monsters do not leave the field until the resolution of the damage step.

Face down monsters are changed face-up at the beginning of the damage step.

Both Flip effects and marks for destruction happen simultaneously in the damage step.

 

That's how flip effects can activate even though the monster is already marked for destruction, as the timings for both things occur simultaneously while that monster is still face up on the field, but before it goes to the grave

[Atypical-Abbie]

Monsters do not leave the field until the resolution of the damage step.

Face down monsters are changed face-up at the beginning of the damage step.

Both Flip effects and marks for destruction happen simultaneously in the damage step.

 

That's how flip effects can activate even though the monster is already marked for destruction, as the timings for both things occur simultaneously while that monster is still face up on the field, but before it goes to the grave

Uhm what? How do Flip effects happen simultaneously with destruction? If you mean to say it happens when it's flipped face-up, that's wrong because it isn't considered destroyed until damage calculation is complete, if you mean so say it's at activation of the Flip effect, the monster is already considered to be destroyed at that point. Regardless, I am not sure I get what you're saying, because it really has nothing to do with destruction here.

[Sunshine Jesse]

I wonder how good this would've been in Dragon Rulers.

[IQuitDolphin]

I wonder how good this would've been in Dragon Rulers.

 

Use in Qliphorts

[The Cowardly Dog]

This is a bit of a letdown. I mean Konami has FINALLY let Amaterasu out of the dungeon and this is the power they give her? The field clearing eff is cool, but c'mon, you would expect their boss monster to be able to work in conjunction with at least a few Spirit Monsters. 

[cr47t]

So it basically acts as a mine; you set it, and when someone messes with the card, it blows up the rest of the field.

[玄魔の王]

So.... How long until we get Susanowo(w/e)

We did. That's Susa Soldier's Japanese name.