Tentacruel Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Maybe forcing more states to do partial points or whatever? That way states like Cali and Texas wouldn't be as much of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I like what Maine and Nebraska do, 2 EV for statewide, rest are based on congressional districts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Founders set up electoral college to protect the minority against the tyranny of the majority. In this case, CA, NY and IL. Read Hamilton's piece on it lol, there's a very good reason it existsIt was also set up so they could override the populace if they elect an overwhelmingly unqualified candidate. I guess it's not doing it's job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 It wouldn't have done its job either way if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I agree fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 It wouldn't have done its job either way if that's the case.Um... exactly? Once again, even if Trump won popular vote and Hillary won EC, I would maintain that it is a fundamentally flawed system. I would be laughing my ass off, but I would maintain that it is a fundamentally flawed system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Even Trump said in his 60 Minutes interview that, despite winning, he still believes it's flawed and should be replaced with a popular vote system. I gained major respect for him over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Apparently Trump is better than/not as bad as people were panicking about so far. That's the speculation I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted November 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Apparently Trump is better than/not as bad as people were panicking about so far. That's the speculation I've heard. Trump is moving further and further left and his popularity among even the people who despise him, is rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Most of my panic over him is due to the whole "destroying the world economy and environment" deal which he's done nothing to prove he won't do, but him showing that he's not always a completely shitty person gives me hope that he won't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I will politely disagree with my president elect on his views on the electoral college. Something needs to be there to reign in the big 3 Him talking with Putin and working on trade deals with Russia make me very happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Apparently Trump is better than/not as bad as people were panicking about so far. That's the speculation I've heard.If what we have seen since the moment Hillary conceded is any indication, that is absolutely true. I wouldn't say I like him as president, because I have never been fond of him as a public figure in any regard, but he is very quickly dispelling many of my concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 It's funny how much power Florida has though, it's massive and not set on one side or the other. That's a good thing, and HRC would have lost even if she had won FL, but it's as big as NY and not set on one side like CA, NY, and TX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I will politely disagree with my president elect on his views on the electoral college. Something needs to be there to reign in the big 3There is. It's called "the American people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 There is. It's called "the American people."The American people have shown an inability to reign in Cali NY and Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Alright here's the thing. Even if you dislike the decision the American People make...that's kind of the cost of Democracy. If you want a government run by the idea that the people's desire matters you need to1.) Accept that the people might make some dumbass decisions2. Debate in such a way to actually change their minds before the voting happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 In my opinion, the Electoral College has some concerning flaws. But, we can't have a purely popular vote either. There needs to be a system of some sort called an Electoral College that determines the president. Until we get a better system, though, the current Electoral College needs to remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 The idea CowCow, is to protect people in rural areas from getting rolled over and left without any chance of representation. Popular vote wouldn't be terrible, but there are some reasons to keep the electoral college around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 In my opinion, the Electoral College has some concerning flaws. But, we can't have a purely popular vote either. There needs to be a system of some sort called an Electoral College that determines the president. Until we get a better system, though, the current Electoral College needs to remain.Make the whole nation like maine and nebraska 2 EV for statewide winner, 1 ev for winner of each congressional district Ofc under such a system Trump would have still won ...but it's probs more fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 well, the bopular vote is what ruffles a ton of feathers, so why not add an additional 11 votes to the total count of whomever wins the popular vote? that seems like a nice way to include PV without being the election being ruled only by it. and it helps remove the complaint that somebody won the popular vote, while still reigning in the overall damage to the election caused by letting completely massive states rule over it. i also have a few more thoughts on how to edit the electoral college overall, but that's a massive post that i'm still working on overall (been working on it for a while), so it'll have to be left out for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 A map showing the margin of victory in swing states in the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election.Pale red = Trump victory, less than 2% margin (FL, MI, PA, WI)Medium red = Trump victory, more than 2% margin (AZ, GA, IA, NC, OH)Pale blue = Clinton victory, less than 2% margin (CO, MN, NH)Medium blue = Clinton victory, more than 2% margin (ME, NV, VA I'd rather have them focus on these states than just focus on out of touch bi-coastal If you removed the two biggest Trump States and the Two Biggest HRC states, Trump would have a 1.9 Mill lead, the EC was created by the same idea as the senate, to control the tyranny of the majority For people wanting the popular vote, IDK how many of you were around for 2000, now imagine recounts for all 50 states, not just FL FL was 1.9 Trump margin with FL GOP alleging that DWS's district was ballot stuffing 1000's of votes, so make of that what you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 What do you even mean when you say out of touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 What do you even mean when you say out of touch?For example, NYC and DC elites dismissed the Trump appeal in the Rust Belt As a /former/ Iowan, you can see the signs of Obama to Trump voters very clearly. There's a reason a state went from +6 Obama to +9 Trump. But DC/NYC/LA dismiss everyone with buzzwords or "uneducated" People who voted twice for a man named Hussein aren't suddently racist We're just flyover country for them, that's why they lost Also not Centrist at all, there's places like Texas that are unpalatablly Right, and likewise with Cali on the left. That's not healthy for political discussion The swing states represent every region, so I don't see what the problem is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'd have to agree (gasp) with Winter. There do tend to be a lot of out of touch "liberal elites" in those areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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