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This is a public discussion just post.

 

 

Our first things to discuss will be

 

1) The 2 tier list, Melee and Brawl

 

2) SMYN. Have you heard if it? If you haven't good to iTunes and look it up. This is where I got alot of info on Brawl before it came out, and the new eps still provides enjoyment. There is also a youtube account for them called SMYNYouko. If you like WTFP you should know of them. They also have a STICKAM channel so go check it out. Also a note. The content in SMYN is PG13.

 

 

[spoiler=Brawl Tier List]

 

[spoiler=Current]

 

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New tier list plus character changes from the last one. Read left to right.

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First number is the change from the last tier and the second is their over all change.

[spoiler=Basics of the tier list]

1. Tier placement doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to beat your friends with a specific character. You might beat your friend's Metaknight with Sonic, but that doesn't mean Sonic is top tier. It means you win that matchup against your friend. Tiers are not absolute measurements of match outcomes.

 

2. Instead of measuring match outcomes, tiers are more a measurement of potential of characters against the rest of the cast in a competitive, 1v1 tournament environment. It shows general strength of a character's abilities in a specific tournament environment. So yes, maybe Yoshi is a beast in teams or Ganon is REALLY good with items turned on... but this list measures somethingd different than those things.

 

3. This list is based on a combination of tournament result data, extensive discussions with top players and tournament hosts and looking at general trends in play in the current competitive metagame. It took a lot of work on the part of some of the best minds in Smash to compile this list.

 

4. This list might change with time. It is based on how we perceive the game to be and play it competitively NOW. However, if a replacement for l-canceling is discovered or new tactics cause the game to evolve over time, this list could change. So if you main a character that isn't near the top, keep playing and evolving their game. You might be the one, like Chu Dat's Ice Climbers back in Melee, that cause people's opinions to change.

 

5. That said, don't give up hope! Just because your character isn't ranked at or near the top, doesn't mean you can't do fantastic things with them with enough talent and effort. We do not publish this list to encourage players to change their main tournament character. If anything, it should serve as a challenge to take the game to the next level.

 

6. In Smash, any character can win in any matchup if you are smarter and better than your opponents by a wide enough margin. So keep playing to win and work hard to be the best player you can be, regardless of which character you use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[spoiler=Last]

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New tier list plus character changes from the last one.

 

I know using pics is meh, but I like pics more then words. Also the first Samus is Zamus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[spoiler=J Brawl Tier List]

 

S Tier

 

Meta Knight 

 

Snake

 

 

A Tier

 

Marth 

 

Mr. Game & Watch 

 

Fox 

 

Falco

 

Wario

 

Diddy Kong

 

Pit

 

 

B Tier

 

Wolf

 

DK

 

DDD

 

R.O.B.

 

Olimar

 

ZSS

 

 

C Tier

 

Lucario

 

Ike

 

IC's

 

Kirby

 

 

D Tier

 

Pikachu

 

Zelda/Sheik

 

Toon Link

 

Peach

 

Mario

 

 

E Tier

 

Bowser

 

Luigi

 

Samus

 

Ness

 

Lucas

 

Jigglypuff

 

 

F Tier

 

Yoshi

 

Ganondorf

 

C. Falcon

 

Sonic

 

Link

 

Pokemon Trainer

 

 

 

 

[spoiler=Melee Tier List]

 

1. Fox

 

2. Marth

 

3. Sheik

 

4. Falco

 

 

5. Peach

 

6. Captain Falcon

 

7. Jigglypuff

 

8. Ice Climbers

 

 

9. Samus

 

10. Dr. Mario

 

11. Ganondorf

 

12. Luigi

 

13. Donkey Kong

 

14. Mario

 

 

15. Link

 

16. Pikachu

 

17. Young Link

 

18. Roy

 

19. Zelda

 

20. Mr. Game & Watch

 

 

21. Ness

 

22. Yoshi

 

23. Bowser

 

24. Mewtwo

 

25. Kirby

 

26. Pichu

 

 

 

 

 

[spoiler=Stage Placement]

 

[spoiler=Brawl]

 

Neutral

 

Battlefield

 

Final Destination

 

Smashville

 

Yoshi's Island

 

 

Neutral/Counter-pick

 

Castle Siege

 

Halberd

 

Lylat Cruise

 

Pokémon Stadium (Melee)

 

 

Counter-pick

 

Brinstar (Melee)

 

Delfino Plaza From Neutral/Counter-pick

 

Frigate Orpheon

 

Green Hill Zone

 

Jungle Japes (Melee)

 

PictoChat

 

Pirate Ship

 

Pokémon Stadium 2

 

Rainbow Cruise (Melee)

 

 

Counter-pick/Banned

 

Distant Planet From counter-pick

 

Green Greens (Melee)

 

Luigi's Mansion From counter-pick

 

Norfair From counter-pick

 

Port Town Aero Dive

 

Yoshi's Island (Melee) From conuter-pick

 

 

Banned

 

75m

 

Big Blue (Melee)

 

Bridge of Eldin

 

Corneria (Melee) From counter-pick

 

Flat Zone 2

 

Hanenbow

 

Temple (Melee)

 

Mario Bros.

 

Mario Circuit From counter-pick/ban

 

Mushroomy Kingdom (1-1 and 1-2)

 

New Pork City

 

Onett (Melee) From counter-pick/ban

 

Rumble Falls

 

Shadow Moses Island

 

Skyworld From counter-pick/ban

 

Spear Pillar

 

Summit

 

WarioWare, Inc.

 

 

 

 

[spoiler=Melee]

 

Neutral

 

Yoshi's Story

 

Fountain of Dreams

 

Pokémon Stadium

 

Battlefield

 

Dream Land (N64)

 

Final Destination

 

 

Counter-pick

 

Brinstar

 

Corneria

 

Green Greens

 

Jungle Japes

 

Kongo Jungle

 

Mute City

 

Rainbow Cruise

 

Kongo Jungle (N64)

 

Poké Floats

 

 

Counter-pick/Banned

 

Onett

 

Princess Peach's Castle

 

 

Banned

 

Brinstar Depths

 

Flat Zone

 

Great Bay

 

Icicle Mountain

 

Hyrule Temple

 

Yoshi's Island (Pipes)

 

Yoshi's Island (N64)

 

Venom

 

Fourside

 

Mushroom Kingdom I

 

Big Blue

 

Mushroom Kingdom II

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[spoiler=List of Friend Codes]

 

1) Flame Dragon - 1160-9569-8085

 

2) Glasstin - 3609-0711-5479

 

3) Poe-Kei - 2191-7325-7546

 

4) FFXFAN21 - 2406-6750-4819

 

5) Seth - 5284-2748-5220

 

6) Chaos Pudding - 1590-4365-4645

 

7) Instinct - 3909-7399-6560

 

8) Abstract [Atrocity] - 3909-7188-5391

 

9) TAG - 1160-9569-8085

 

10) Dragon Master - 0645-5740-4006

 

11) Kaitou Kid - 2406-4839-3941

 

12) Static Remix - 0516-7207-4877

 

13) SSBB Fan - 0044-2508-9972

 

14) Emerald Yoshi (CHANN) - 1848-3282-5157

 

15) Psycho Shocker Android - 3093-6980-6330

 

16) force_flex: 3659 9962 5756 9326

 

17) Cheese Pirate: 2836-4901-4265

 

18) hardmeti: 0259-0709-1096

 

19) Crazymanguy4: 5241-3895-3531

 

20) BludMonkey: 0173-6191-5970

 

21) JG: 4769-3063-2174

 

22) XxShadiusxX: 1333-5855-5136

 

23) XDRangePureX: 2450-2728-5221

 

24) Mayko: 2407-0254-3111

 

25) -Genesis-: 4040-0124-4585

 

 

 

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First thing's first.

 

That pic? Meta Ridley was bending down. So he's quite taller than that. Also, I've done my own measurements of games with normal Ridley. At smallest (not counting the NES version), he's twice the size of Samus. At largest, he's close to 3x her size. Meaning he's very large. Reducing his size to make him fit Brawl would make him look considerably less superior to Samus than how he normally should.

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First thing's first.

 

That pic? Meta Ridley was bending down. So he's quite taller than that. Also' date=' I've done my own measurements of games with normal Ridley. At smallest (not counting the NES version), he's twice the size of Samus. At largest, he's close to 3x her size. Meaning he's very large. Reducing his size to make him fit Brawl would make him look considerably less superior to Samus than how he normally should.

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For most of that fight Ridley is bending down. That the kind of body he has. If he was in Brawl that is the way they would have him, bending down, like he was in Prime and Corruptions

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Link's tier is bad. BAD. He's my absolute best and other people think he's good but on Smash Wiki, his tier was like 38. Anyone else who disagrees or is even offeneded by that?


Do you guys know what Snake says when he calls Mei Ling on the codec when Zero Suit Samus is one of the combatants? The link doesn't work, so i'll tell you.

 

Snake: "Mei Ling, Samus took her clothes off."

 

Mei Ling: "That's just her in the Zero Suit, Snake."

 

Snake: "Without that bulky Power Suit, she's gotten a lot more agile....."

 

Snake: "I bet if I took off all this heavy gear, I could catch her....."

 

Mei Ling: "Um... Yeah, you wish."

 

Mei Ling: "Even without the Power Suit, all that training she's done with the Chozo has made her a super athlete. i don't think a normal human could ever keep up. Just look at her."

 

Snake: "Her loss."

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Link's tier is bad. BAD. He's my absolute best and other people think he's good but on Smash Wiki' date=' his tier was like 38. Anyone else who disagrees or is even offeneded by that?

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Pokemon Trainer is my main, and he's 30. Just because your good with that character doesn't mean they are good. This also doesn't mean you will always lose to characters higher on the tier list.

 

The tier list just shows what the potential of character is over all and how well they match up against other chatcers. This says it better than I can.

1. Tier placement doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to beat your friends with a specific character. You might beat your friend's Metaknight with Sonic' date=' but that doesn't mean Sonic is top tier. It means you win that matchup against your friend. Tiers are not absolute measurements of match outcomes.

 

2. Instead of measuring match outcomes, tiers are more a measurement of potential of characters against the rest of the cast in a competitive, 1v1 tournament environment. It shows general strength of a character's abilities in a specific tournament environment. So yes, maybe Yoshi is a beast in teams or Ganon is REALLY good with items turned on... but this list measures somethingd different than those things.

 

3. This list is based on a combination of tournament result data, extensive discussions with top players and tournament hosts and looking at general trends in play in the current competitive metagame. It took a lot of work on the part of some of the best minds in Smash to compile this list.

 

4. This list might change with time. It is based on how we perceive the game to be and play it competitively NOW. However, if a replacement for l-canceling is discovered or new tactics cause the game to evolve over time, this list could change. So if you main a character that isn't near the top, keep playing and evolving their game. You might be the one, like Chu Dat's Ice Climbers back in Melee, that cause people's opinions to change.

 

5. That said, don't give up hope! Just because your character isn't ranked at or near the top, doesn't mean you can't do fantastic things with them with enough talent and effort. We do not publish this list to encourage players to change their main tournament character. If anything, it should serve as a challenge to take the game to the next level.

 

6. In Smash, any character can win in any matchup if you are smarter and better than your opponents by a wide enough margin. So keep playing to win and work hard to be the best player you can be, regardless of which character you use.

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Can I join or are there no more allowing of joining.

Any one can join. This is just a place for Brawl' date=' and smash fans in general, to talk about the game.

 

i will join i say that ridely was not big for brawl that is ridley size in all metriod gmaes look at him in metriod 3 like tag said ridley bends down alot that how ridley is

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So the offical tournament stage picks are out, as are the rules. Here are the stage picks.

[spoiler=Stage Placement]

Neutral

Battlefield

Final Destination

Smashville

Yoshi's Island

 

Neutral/Counter-pick

Castle Siege

Delfino Plaza

Halberd

Lylat Cruise

Pokémon Stadium (Melee)

 

Counter-pick

Brinstar (Melee)

Corneria (Melee)

Distant Planet

Frigate Orpheon

Green Hill Zone

Jungle Japes (Melee)

Luigi's Mansion

Norfair

PictoChat

Pirate Ship

Pokémon Stadium 2

Rainbow Cruise (Melee)

Yoshi's Island (Melee)

 

Counter-pick/Banned

Green Greens (Melee)

Mario Circuit

Onett (Melee)

Port Town Aero Dive

Skyworld

 

Banned

75m

Big Blue (Melee)

Bridge of Eldin

Flat Zone 2

Hanenbow

Temple (Melee)

Mario Bros.

Mushroomy Kingdom (1-1 and 1-2)

New Pork City

Rumble Falls

Shadow Moses Island

Spear Pillar

Summit

WarioWare, Inc.

 

 

Additionally, each player may announce a single stage each match that s/he wants banned from the counter-pick list. The stages that are in the "Neutral/Counter-Pick" or "Counter-Pick/Banned" category are left to the tournament organizers to determine their actual placement in any specific tournament.

 

Several things make me say WTF.

Green Hill Zone, PictoChat, and Yoshi's Island (Melee) all should be banned IMO. of those 3, the latter of the 2 need it the most. All stages under Counter-pick/Banned should be banned but at least we can pick.

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No.The one that needs it the most is Yoshi's Island (Melee). Their is a reason I turned this off the second I got the game. Walk off, small, all the blast lines are near the ground. The stage is so bad. WTF were they thinking making that counter-pick.

 

Also pros are very scary. This one dude anther has such a good pika it put fear into me even though I was only watching.

If I you can I recommend you find vids of pros and watch them because then you can see how good people can get at this game.

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This is is kind of cool. Melee has had a tier list update.

1. Fox

2. Marth

3. Sheik

4. Falco

 

5. Peach

6. Captain Falcon

7. Jigglypuff

8. Ice Climbers

 

9. Samus

10. Dr. Mario

11. Ganondorf

12. Luigi

13. Donkey Kong

14. Mario

 

15. Link

16. Pikachu

17. Young Link

18. Roy

19. Zelda

20. Mr. Game & Watch

 

21. Ness

22. Yoshi

23. Bowser

24. Mewtwo

25. Kirby

26. Pichu

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Hi all, I honestly disagree with the current tier list for brawl. There is no way King Dedede, master of the chain grab, beats Pit. Just no way. Captain falcon is still uber fast and powerful, Zero suit is also fast and powerful enough in the air to fin games. Marth before Ike? Thats a laugh, and peach is still the master floater, although extremely weaker, alot of her moves cancels other moves. That is a plus. Basically... is this fan made, or is there a source?

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