RAEGING D0GKING Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Falling_Down Destroy this card if there is no Archfiend card on your side of the field. Take control of 1 of your opponent's monsters that is equipped with this card. You take 800 points of damage during each of your opponent's Standby Phases. If only Archfiends had some better monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Archetype-specific Snatch Steal. Is a staple in Archfiend decks (obviously), but as Archfiends are an abysmal deck there is nothing else to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 It does say "card", so Spells or Traps are fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 they should seriously consider releasing some Archfiend support. they've got potential... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Equipment Cat. owait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Red Dragon Archfiend, Scrap Archfiend and Chaos King Archfiend count, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Yes, because all their original names were: Red Demon's Dragon, Mental Sphere Demon, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Old card for use when Cards like Des Rook Archfiend were out. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Tips:Falling_Down The problem I find with this cards Tips and rulings is that they mention Summoned Skull as an Archfiend card and there is no clear ruling to this cards use with cards like Red Dragon Archfiend and Scrap Archfiend. Either Konami hasn't run up against this problem in Tourney play, or else they are letting it slide because a base card like this that is should be semi-useless now has a use against more modern cards like Red Dragon Archfiend... So, yea... Strange.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='Saikano' timestamp='1298678567' post='5034368'] Red Dragon Archfiend, Scrap Archfiend and Chaos King Archfiend count, right? [/quote] They do, but you can't really focus your entire deck on summoning them. And yes, it works with S/Ts too, like Axe of Despair and... uhh... umm... *acid to your face!* *escape rope!* But yeah, they need way more archfiends. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1298681860' post='5034518'] And yes, it works with S/Ts too, like Axe of Despair and... uhh... umm... *acid to your face!* *escape rope!* [/quote] Gladiator Beast's Archfiend Shield-Thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='Eibon1307' timestamp='1298681618' post='5034502'] Old card for use when Cards like Des Rook Archfiend were out. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Tips:Falling_Down The problem I find with this cards Tips and rulings is that they mention Summoned Skull as an Archfiend card and there is no clear ruling to this cards use with cards like Red Dragon Archfiend and Scrap Archfiend. Either Konami hasn't run up against this problem in Tourney play, or else they are letting it slide because a base card like this that is should be semi-useless now has a use against more modern cards like Red Dragon Archfiend... So, yea... Strange.... [/quote] Some cards were retrospectively considered "Archfiends". See, the Japanese term is "Demon" (or Daemon or something like that). Before "Archfiends" became an archetype in DCR, the English versions gave completely different, unrelated names. Axe of Despair is an Archfiend card because the Japanese name used the term we later changed to "Archfiend". Now, all cards created after DCR is given the name "Archfiend" if they had "Demon" in its Japanese name. Red Demon's Dragon (English: Red Dragon Archfiend) is an Archfiend because it has "Archfiend" in its name. To my knowledge, there are no "Archfiend" monsters or cards in the game that are NOT Archfiends. Red Dragon Archfiend, Infernity Archfiend, and Thought Ruler Archfiend are all "Archfiends", as their Japanese names are "Red Demon's Dragon", "Infernity Demon", and "Mental Sphere Demon". Presumably, Scrap Archfiend is "Scrap Demon". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I can see this working in Psychics, with Thought Ruler Archfiend and Mental Over Archfiend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 So, Its usable for all those cards with Archfiend in there name, but as stated before, theres no real reason to... I dont think even someone would Sidedeck this card for use with a Red nova/Red dragon archfiend deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I'd be more likely to run Mark of the Rose in a Scar-Red Nova deck (Spore, Glow Up, Dandylion, Lonefire, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 evilfusion covered most of it, but basically whenever a Japanese card has "Dēmon" in it's name, it's an Archfiend. People will spell it as "Daemon" (an older spelling of "demon") to differentiate between "Dēmon" and "Akuma" (which means "demon" and is the Japanese term for the Fiend Type). I wish Fiendish Chain was an Archfiend card, but unfortunately it's "Demonzu", not "Dēmonzu". Yes. off by one "e"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 A Deal with Dark Ruler ---> Bargaining with Archfiend Lord Axe of Despair ---> Archfiend Axe B. Skull Dragon ---> Black Dragon Archfiend Beast of Talwar ---> Archfiend of Talwar Fiend Skull Dragon ---> Doom Dragon Archfiend Lesser Fiend ---> Lesser Archfiend Shadow Tamer ---> Archfiend Tamer Summoned Skull ---> Skull Archfiend Toon Summoned Skull ----> Toon Archfiend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 What happens if I equip my opponents infernity archfiend with this while I control no cards? Will it destroy itself before I get my guy or will it put the guy on my side before looking at its destruction effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 It is a continuous effect (being an Equip Spell). It will self-destruct without starting a chain, so before control switches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='Fraz' timestamp='1298691834' post='5035071'] What happens if I equip my opponents infernity archfiend with this while I control no cards? Will it destroy itself before I get my guy or will it put the guy on my side before looking at its destruction effect? [/quote] [quote=Ruling] You can activate "Falling Down" when there are no Archfiends on your side of the field, but it is destroyed immediately before it is equipped to a monster. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 The newest Archfiends besides the synchros are terrible. (Lancer Archfiend? really?) Is it because Jack in 5d's uses them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think the only semi-decent ones are: Cyber Archfiend, Imprisoned Queen Archfiend, Lancer Archfiend, Archfiend's Soldier, Mad Archfiend, Mist Archfiend, Red Dragon Archfiend, Summoned Skull (if using a deck that makes it easy to Summon), Scrap Archfiend, Terrorking Archfiend (if you're using the right deck), and Thought Ruler Archfiend. Even with these I think you could make a deck, though it wouldn't be an [i]amazing[/i] one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wero-vasto Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Cyber Archfiend sucks... still I run like 1 or 2 in my Deck, I think the best way to play an Archfiend Deck is a beatdown one... I run 2 of this in my Deck, is funny to take my Opponent's monsters to have an empty field Archfiends are a decent Archtype, but it's Field Spell sucks... it would awesome if it let's you search for any Archfiend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 They need Ryoga to switch his deck to Archfiends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1298698750' post='5035394'] I think the only semi-decent ones are: Cyber Archfiend, Imprisoned Queen Archfiend, Lancer Archfiend, Archfiend's Soldier, Mad Archfiend, Mist Archfiend, Red Dragon Archfiend, Summoned Skull (if using a deck that makes it easy to Summon), Scrap Archfiend, Terrorking Archfiend (if you're using the right deck), and Thought Ruler Archfiend. Even with these I think you could make a deck, though it wouldn't be an [i]amazing[/i] one. [/quote] ARCHFIEND MARMOT OF NEFARIOUSNESS. March 2010 equip cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 [quote name='wero-vasto' timestamp='1298701360' post='5035500'] Archfiends are a decent Archtype [/quote] Maybe like 3-5 years ago they were decent. They flat out suck now (mainly because other archetypes have much better monsters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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