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[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1306341841' post='5230944']
@ Haou: I don't get where you got the impression they want you to stop USING online sources. What I got from the first part is that they want to clarify the card text so that rulings are easier to understand by simply looking at the card and knowing the rules of the game, rather than being REQUIRED to look at online sources. The cards themselves should tell you exactly how it works, coupled with understanding of the rules. Wordier cards made certain aspects difficult to differentiate:

For example:

- Cost vs Effect. I can't wait to see what they do to cover this, because it's honestly confusing in a lot of cases.
- Effects that occur simultaneously from the same card (Morphtronic Accelerator is an example of unclear cost and timing of its effects)

The changes they're doing so far may not be briliant changes, but they aren't bad changes. Changing Hero cards to HERO means they won't have to reprint Stratos or other universal hero support a dozen times. They should have always been HERO.
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Here's what Mr. Tewart said:

[spoiler=Death Of Wikia]
From now on, here’s what you’ll do, instead:

First: read the card.

Second: apply logic and figure out the answer.

Third: continue playing.

Rules posted online will be limited to super-complicated and really weird situations.[b] Imagine going down to a dozen pages of card rules, instead of a thousand.[/b] It could happen.

That still leaves the billions of cards we’ve already got in circulation, of course. For existing cards, as we reprint them in Decks, Turbo Packs, Duelist League, and other places, we will update their text to the Problem-Solving Card Text. Over time, rules questions about existing cards won’t just be answered. They will cease being questions in the first place.[/spoiler]

I've bolded the part I'm referring to. Konami wants us to stop using unofficial internet resources. He outlined that pretty explicitly I thought. What they are saying is that pretty much all rulings support will be going away. No more email responses from konami. No more P-jo posts. They'll either rule in person at the YCS - or put it on the brand new official judge's forum.

He's saying he can do 'more' with 'less'. I highly doubt that. I don't know of many instances where the less information you disseminate the more knowledge is communicated. This shows a serious disconnect from the person making the decisions about our game and the actual hands on application of those rules in real life playing situations.

I'm sorry. Life just isn't as simple as konami would like for it to be. Look at your descriptions ITT about semi nomi - can you say that in a couple of sentences and completely communicate to someone who doesn't understand it and get them to a place where they can be proficient in using it?
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[quote name='HaouJudai' timestamp='1306417761' post='5233045']
actually I agree - after thinking about it I had edited that part out - but the thought certainly did cross my mind - legally I don't see that there's any leg they would have to stand on. wikia doesn't violate any kind of copyright law.
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Nearly every game, card game, book series etc has a wikia. It'd make them look horrible if they took down Yugioh Wiki.
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[quote name='HaouJudai' timestamp='1306417332' post='5233040']
Here's what Mr. Tewart said:

[spoiler=Death Of Wikia]
From now on, here’s what you’ll do, instead:

First: read the card.

Second: apply logic and figure out the answer.

Third: continue playing.

Rules posted online will be limited to super-complicated and really weird situations.[b] Imagine going down to a dozen pages of card rules, instead of a thousand.[/b] It could happen.

That still leaves the billions of cards we’ve already got in circulation, of course. For existing cards, as we reprint them in Decks, Turbo Packs, Duelist League, and other places, we will update their text to the Problem-Solving Card Text. Over time, rules questions about existing cards won’t just be answered. They will cease being questions in the first place.[/spoiler]

I've bolded the part I'm referring to. Konami wants us to stop using unofficial internet resources. He outlined that pretty explicitly I thought. What they are saying is that pretty much all rulings support will be going away. No more email responses from konami. No more P-jo posts. They'll either rule in person at the YCS - or put it on the brand new official judge's forum.

He's saying he can do 'more' with 'less'. I highly doubt that. I don't know of many instances where the less information you disseminate the more knowledge is communicated. This shows a serious disconnect from the person making the decisions about our game and the actual hands on application of those rules in real life playing situations.

I'm sorry. Life just isn't as simple as konami would like for it to be. Look at your descriptions ITT about semi nomi - can you say that in a couple of sentences and completely communicate to someone who doesn't understand it and get them to a place where they can be proficient in using it?
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I think you're looking into that statement entirely the wrong way. What I get from the message is not that internet sources are bad, but that the requirement to use internet resources for rulings, when the cards and rulebook alone, with maybe some specific exceptions and situations, should be enough for most players to get through the game. The base problem is the terminology and wordings of several cards to state similar effects, but working differently.

Just some of the examples mentioned here, such as "cost vs effect". That's a huge issue in the game. Or "missing the timing" or "Ignore the Summoning Conditions". Someone well-versed in the rules can figure out how the card works just by reading it, but the rulings are unnecessarily complex or confusing, where the average person can't figure it out, or will get into arguments with someone who is.

Yes, Konami could focus more effort into their own support site or whatever, and yes, there probably will be resources that will be compromised, but they're taking a much bigger, more permanent stance on fixing the issue: Rewording the text and simplifying it. Even shortening that eyesore of text to "Inflicts Piercing Battle Damage" is an immense improvement.

What I get from the statement about a dozen pages, instead of a thousand is not "stop using internet resources" but "we see the game is too complicated and needing so many pages of rulings is ridiculous."

And besides, them fixing this doesn't mean those sources won't be used anymore. What about pre-existing cards? They aren't being recalled, so there will be plenty of people and collectors with older text that would need the rulings. But dependency on the resources will be lessened, and this can only be an improvement.

As for your question to me: No, I probably can't summarize it. It's complicated and annoying, as the distinction between Nomi and Semi-Nomi is just as important to the explanation. "Ignoring the Summoning Conditions" seems simple, but I can't think of how to simplify it on the card itself that will make the Nomi rule clear.
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If Konami would want the death of the wiki, which is hell unlikely since its pretty much our Gatherer for Yugioh, Konami need a new and better site. I'm sorry, but its kind of terrible.

To be honest, I think they will change nomis and semi nomis to the Meklord effects:

• This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by its own effect. You can Special Summon this card from your hand by...

• This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by...
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[quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1306413729' post='5232963']
1. Reprint the Dark Scorpions with new names2. ???3. [s]Profit[/s] Make a Dark Scorpions structure deck and break them.
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[quote name='Invalid Arguement' timestamp='1306414758' post='5232982']
[color="#00FF00"][font="Arial Black"][size="7"][b]:D
YES. JUST YES.[/b][/size][/font][/color]
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[quote name='Silverbolt' timestamp='1306420526' post='5233105']
:o
*Goes to Written cards*
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Wanna post a link?? Lol

Used to run Dark Scorpions... and I personally think Lolnami should start making broken cards for every attribute and type so that there can be huge diversity amongst players' decks

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My hatred for Konami grows every day like a cyst on your back that's just out of reach. Soon its going to pop and by god I wouldn't want to be the person behind me when that happens. Still feel like raping me in the ass Konami? Just you wait.
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@ evilfusion - Evil, what i've been saying is exactly where they are going to go with this. I'm sorry but I started in yugioh in 99 IN JAPAN and followed it back to the states in 02 and have judged and worked closely with both ude and now kde very closely. I can appreciate that you don't see the same thing I do. You're just going to have to lean on my years of personal experience in dealing with this company. I know them far too well to not be able to see exactly what they are up to here.

First of all - konami is Eugene Krabs - anything they do is to make a buck. That's forgivable because they are a corporation and they have to stay in business or we don't have a game to play. Look at the past few years and join me on a journey of looking at a very greedy company.

I'm not going to list exact years because I don't know them and i'll get them wrong - I'll list events instead:

-konami breaches their contract with upperdeck entertainment - both companies sue each other - ude wins breach of contract - kde wins for ude counterfeiting cards

-konami ends all shonen jumps - shonen responds by printing dark end dragon, previously an event prize card - konami responds with the legality list and limits shonen's ability to print playable cards unless they have konami's blessing - bear in mind Shueisha own's yugioh - not konami

I won't list the current lawsuit against 4kids by the japanese studio that creates the yugioh anime shows - Also konami recently created a new judge's forum - shortly after they created the judge's forum they announce this problem solving text. Do you see where this is going now?

I'm wondering if you are aware there are several online yugioh sites that konami had shut down in recent years? One was out of England - I think it was Yugioh world or something like that - a buddy of mine had been a member for years and he tried to go on one day and it was if the site never existed - word is it was shut down by konami after the threat of a lawsuit.

I might be crazy. But it's not because i know too little - it's because I know too much. (walks away singing Cee-lo Green)
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Okay, fine. I just thought you were making too much out of an announcement and seeing diabolical motives and intentions that probably didn't exist.

Since we can't actually know their desired motives from the change, I'm going to just shrug this one off and drop it.
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[quote name='HaouJudai' timestamp='1306497653' post='5235140']
@ evilfusion - Evil, what i've been saying is exactly where they are going to go with this. I'm sorry but I started in yugioh in 99 IN JAPAN and followed it back to the states in 02 and have judged and worked closely with both ude and now kde very closely. I can appreciate that you don't see the same thing I do. You're just going to have to lean on my years of personal experience in dealing with this company. I know them far too well to not be able to see exactly what they are up to here.

First of all - konami is Eugene Krabs - anything they do is to make a buck. That's forgivable because they are a corporation and they have to stay in business or we don't have a game to play. Look at the past few years and join me on a journey of looking at a very greedy company.

I'm not going to list exact years because I don't know them and i'll get them wrong - I'll list events instead:

-konami breaches their contract with upperdeck entertainment - both companies sue each other - ude wins breach of contract - kde wins for ude counterfeiting cards

-konami ends all shonen jumps - shonen responds by printing dark end dragon, previously an event prize card - konami responds with the legality list and limits shonen's ability to print playable cards unless they have konami's blessing - bear in mind Shueisha own's yugioh - not konami [color="#FF0000"][font="Impact"]Konami wasn't the one who made the legality of promos rule. That was JUMP.[/font][/color]

I won't list the current lawsuit against 4kids by the japanese studio that creates the yugioh anime shows - Also konami recently created a new judge's forum - shortly after they created the judge's forum they announce this problem solving text. Do you see where this is going now? [font="Impact"][color="#FF0000"]No... how is the problem solving text bad. How is the lawsuit against 4Kids by the Japanese Network that aired Yu-Gi-Oh! originally, not related to Konami.[/color][/font]

I'm wondering if you are aware there are several online yugioh sites that konami had shut down in recent years? One was out of England - I think it was Yugioh world or something like that - a buddy of mine had been a member for years and he tried to go on one day and it was if the site never existed - word is it was shut down by konami after the threat of a lawsuit.

I might be crazy. But it's not because i know too little - it's because I know too much. (walks away singing Cee-lo Green)
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You are crazy.
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