ragnarok1945 Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 [quote name='TwinSeed' timestamp='1321642969' post='5650939'] If this gets passed, it's like egging us on to have a revolution. [/quote] that's the message they're sending us, they think we don't have the guts to rebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 [quote name='Dт. Михаи́л Ботви́нник PчD' timestamp='1321643838' post='5650956'] Republican majority congress means that this will definitely go through. A very Republican bill. [/quote] The House of Representatives is Republican, the Senate is predominantly Democratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 [spoiler=Current Numbers][u]Senate[/u] 51-47-2 D - R - I [u]House[/u] 242-197-1 R - D - V D=Democrat R=Republican I=Independent V=Vacant[/spoiler] Anything can happen with these numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 [quote name='Random Dude' timestamp='1321663206' post='5651534'] The House of Representatives is Republican, the Senate is predominantly Democratic. [/quote] Exactly. Obama was right in one respect that we only voted for divided government, not dysfunctional government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Striker' timestamp='1321672254' post='5651856'] [spoiler=Current Numbers][u]Senate[/u] 51-47-2 D - R - I [u]House[/u] 242-197-1 R - D - V D=Democrat R=Republican I=Independent V=Vacant[/spoiler] Anything can happen with these numbers. [/quote] Well you see, to pass a bill, it must be approved by 2/3 majority votes in both houses of Congress. Though the number of Democrats and Republicans aren't very far apart in the Senate, there is almost no way 60 Senators would agree with the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I dunno guys, what if both parties like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 [quote name='Random Dude' timestamp='1321677578' post='5652013'] Well you see, to pass a bill, it must be approved by 2/3 majority votes in both houses of Congress. Though the number of Democrats and Republicans aren't very far apart in the Senate, there is almost no way 60 Senators would agree with the bill. [/quote] I think you are mistaking the bill process for the Amendment process. You only need 50% + 1 vote to pass something in any house. However, 60 senators prevents the filibuster, which you brought out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Oh yeah, my bad, I didn't notice that. I was thinking the amendment process. Anyway you brought up the filibuster, which can basically kill this bill in the senate since there are probably too few supporters to be able to end it. It will probably be passed in the House, but not in the Senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Obama would be the last line of defense if it passed in the Senate. You think he would be for it or against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1321679934' post='5652088'] Obama would be the last line of defense if it passed in the Senate. You think he would be for it or against it? [/quote] Tough question. I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Actually, the last line would be the Supreme Court since this new bill is pretty much against the first amendment. If Obama passes it, the courts can no doubt put that law out of existence through Judicial Review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 We can only hope. If they do pass it Imma go burn some American flags. Also, I'm curious to see politicians actually talk about this thing to get a gauge of who is for it and who is against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1321679088' post='5652069'] I dunno guys, what if both parties like this? [/quote] You really think it could come to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Maybe, I mean, this gives corporations more control and the Government more control. Both parties win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 [quote name='Random Dude' timestamp='1321680254' post='5652099'] Actually, the last line would be the Supreme Court since this new bill is pretty much against the first amendment. If Obama passes it, the courts can no doubt put that law out of existence through Judicial Review. [/quote] That'll mean the bill will be law for a few years if it comes to that. Only once has a case been grabbed by the Court recently. Bush v. Gore (2000). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I would think it would be resolved pretty quickly since it is unconstitutional. It would take maybe a few months since pretty much everyone in our generation is gonna complain about it and protest. And probably ignore the law anyway since it's bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 [quote name='Random Dude' timestamp='1321719535' post='5652610'] I would think it would be resolved pretty quickly since it is unconstitutional. It would take maybe a few months since pretty much everyone in our generation is gonna complain about it and protest. And probably ignore the law anyway since it's bull. [/quote] That's actually the irony of it all. Once you pass a law, people actually do it illegally MORE. That's one of the debates across the country for example in the case of legalizing marijuana. Because right now it's illegal, people do it more. But if you legalize it, such activity will go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1321420410' post='5645840'] you believe it wouldn't if it passed? [/quote] I'm not even considering what it would do if it passed as much as I do other needless hypotheticals. The fact that people here have gone into even more Amerirage spasms(when the bill originated from a SIXTY FOUR YEAR OLD in TEXAS) over this is just YCM idiocy shining through. [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1321751662' post='5654073'] That's one of the debates across the country for example in the case of legalizing marijuana. Because right now it's illegal, people do it more. But if you legalize it, such activity will go down [/quote] It would probably go up, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1321751662' post='5654073'] That's actually the irony of it all. Once you pass a law, people actually do it illegally MORE. That's one of the debates across the country for example in the case of legalizing marijuana. Because right now it's illegal, people do it more. But if you legalize it, such activity will go down [/quote] Currently, the only way to get it is through dealers that you have connections with, but if it's legal, it's gonna be a lot easier to get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 well it may go up INITIALLY, but then it'd drop way down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Alright no more pot discussion please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 inb4pizzaisavegetablewhentomatoesarefruits OT: DA FUQ?! soe i kant shoe mah friendz me jusyn beebar no moras? t-t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Holy s***, this topic is just getting more and more pages, isn't it? Sheesh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1321824195' post='5655534'] well it may go up INITIALLY, but then it'd drop way down [/quote] Implying people wouldn't enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Anyway since we got off topic, the law won't pass because it's unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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