This Account is Unplayable Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111020044512/yugioh/images/thumb/b/b6/Grapha%2CDragonLordofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-UR-1E.jpg/300px-Grapha%2CDragonLordofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-UR-1E.jpg[/img] "Grapha is fair card design." Since I know how much YCM [i]loves[/i] good decks and thus DWs most of the time, have at my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 If you crushed that statement into powder, you'd probably end up with weed or something. In the meta, it's strange we don't see as much Dark Worlds as one would expect. DWs definitely have a pretty good matchup in the metagame. I blame it on new shiny decks overwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 They don't even show up in the OCG, do they? That can't be just because of Dark Smog, can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted June 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1338932643' post='5952585'] They don't even show up in the OCG, do they? That can't be just because of Dark Smog, can it? [/quote] DWs don't even use Dark Smog. And the OCG are always weird as f***. I mean, they consider Raigeki Break a staple in literally everything for god's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 [quote]"Grapha is fair card design."[/quote] I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I hate this card. That's all I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1338932735' post='5952587'] And the OCG are always weird as f***. I mean, they consider Raigeki Break a staple in literally everything for god's sake. [/quote] That's quite an exaggeration. They do run it in any Inzektor build, tho'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 [quote name='Rescue Rabbit, Inzektor Hornet, Zenmaity & Red-Eyes Darkness Metal'] "Grapha is fair card design." [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 [img]http://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62163Metagame2.png[/img] Herpderp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 It revives itself too easilly - It's practically unkillable. I would have made it "Tribute 1 Dark World monster you control" instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted June 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I definitely overrated YCM in terms of response to the statement in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Would a 'You can only control 1' clause have made this less problematic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1338932090' post='5952578'] "Grapha is fair card design." [/quote] FINALLY, someone who agrees with me. Gee willikers, I've been hiding my opinions on this card for fear of flames stronger than my flame shield. C'mon, guys. This card only has 2700 ATK. What's all the hubbub? Dark Hole exists. Fissure exists. Smashing Ground exis-holy inferno, Batman! The flames are burning my flesh! What's weird is that I've [b]never[/b] played against this card. [b]Ever. [/b]I'm sure I've encountered DWs, but never this. From the looks of it, when it comes to Structure Deck boss monster power levels, this makes Machina Fortress look like Infernal Flame Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1338936527' post='5952635'] I definitely overrated YCM in terms of response to the statement in the OP. [/quote] Do you think it is well-designed? If yes, then maybe posts your reasoning as to why you feel this way and people could debate over your posts and disagree where they feel like you are incorrect, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted June 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1338944546' post='5952706'] Do you think it is well-designed? If yes, then maybe posts your reasoning as to why you feel this way and people could debate over your posts and disagree where they feel like you are incorrect, if at all. [/quote] Do I actually think it's well designed? No. Do I think it's well designed for the era it is in? Yes. Simply put it's a +1 2700 beater that is nearly unbeatable, bar banishing it. Now then, the era: We are in an era where the best way to beat a deck in general is now banishing of some kind, so Grapha already falls to numerous side and even some main options. Grapha is also an addition to an archetype that is lacking in actually good cards, the only good ones are honestly Grapha and Snoww (monster-wise) so it has the issue that the overall deck is rather weak, and while it has insane draw and search combos, the deck is prone to monster-less draws due to the lack of monster choice where others would clog due to Dragged Down which is a necessity in Dark Worlds. It also creates a meta-game competitive deck that players can build on a budget, now take it as you will but being able to compete with the best decks for a much much much smaller cost sounds nice to me. The deck it is in also requires a significant amount of knowledge of the deck to use. Dark Worlds are not just a deck anyone can pick up and win with, they take a lot of practice and understanding of the combos to play optimally. I for one have seen a lot of players searching for nothing but Graphas and then ragequitting when they have no actual way to bring them out. Yes it's basic stuff, but cards like Dragged Down and Mind Crush actually take a lot of pre-emptive thought to use properly. So for its time, I find Grapha to be well made, I do believe that in future the deck is bound to get hit, but for now I see no problem with it at all. May have missed something, but f*** it it's 2 am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='God Crouton!!!' timestamp='1338942692' post='5952671'] From the looks of it, when it comes to Structure Deck boss monster power levels, this makes Machina Fortress look like Infernal Flame Emperor. [/quote] Thats the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 What makes it worse for this card, is that with 3 of him and if we get destiny leo with his alt win effect, this makes dark world have another way of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='kingdom Neos' timestamp='1338967450' post='5952850'] What makes it worse for this card, is that with 3 of him and if we get destiny leo with his alt win effect, this makes dark world have another way of winning. [/quote] Actually, Illumiknight is better in Dark Worlds because it can send your Grapha to the Graveyard quickly. Sadly it doesn't discard, but it can still increase your draw power and mill Grapha at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='kingdom Neos' timestamp='1338967450' post='5952850'] What makes it worse for this card, is that with 3 of him and if we get destiny leo with his alt win effect, this makes dark world have another way of winning. [/quote] Provided they print Leo with that effect. Card is badly designed, but you can be badly designed and not broken in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 I do not see Grapha as fair card design. +1 summon beater isn't exactly fair. Not only that but it's destruction effect usually wipes issues before it comes out. But DWs aren't topping for whatever reason and the only reason they're competing with the meta is because of this and Snoww so leave 'em be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Not sure if serious, or blinded by one's own infatuation with Derpworlds. Side-ability a good card does not make. Oh, and +1 post count-magnet, just like its card advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 I like the one thing Chris posted about how they wont be hit, but maybe in the future. They wont be hit because they aren't topping. They aren't topping cause our format's tier 1 decks are all broken as f*** lol. Let the ban list rape the meta (hopefully), and then perhaps DW's can get hit later on. Maybe thats just me being hopeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Hopefully it will get hit sometime in the near future. Unkillable, easily searchable, 3000 that pops your field almost as well as Hornet needs to get hit as soon as possible; its just not as broken as the other broken crap we're dealing with now.(Ugh this game is a mess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1338935804' post='5952625'] [img]http://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62163Metagame2.png[/img] Herpderp [/quote] lolwtf +1 for you OT: I hate how people say they never see anyone use it, when I play against a s*** ton of DW players on DN. I myself run a DW deck, (pretty sure everyone knows by now that it's supposed to be a DWFTK deck) and it's my 2ND favorite archetype.[quote name='God Crouton!!!' timestamp='1338942692' post='5952671'] FINALLY, someone who agrees with me. Gee willikers, I've been hiding my opinions on this card for fear of flames stronger than my flame shield. C'mon, guys. This card only has 2700 ATK. What's all the hubbub? Dark Hole exists. Fissure exists. Smashing Ground exis-holy inferno, Batman! The flames are burning my flesh! What's weird is that I've [b]never[/b] played against this card. [b]Ever. [/b]I'm sure I've encountered DWs, but never this. From the looks of it, when it comes to Structure Deck boss monster power levels, this makes Machina Fortress look like Infernal Flame Emperor. [/quote] Well, if you ever went against GRAPHA, then you'd get pissed easily. And then you'd rage about how "broken" it is [or some other stupid s*** like that]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 [quote name='DJVD' timestamp='1339312788' post='5954769'] lolwtf +1 for you [/quote] Armz used to have that in his signature right about the time everyone realized Grapha's potential, coupled with Snoww. Because basically, that's what it is: Snoww adds your win condition right to your hand. And then the Raigeki Duster is obviously Grapha's ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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