Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Karakuris can do okay in this format due to position changes and the fact that their Synchros summon non-Synchro monsters. Chance can attest to that. I was planning on using them for the tournament, but went with my current idea instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I kinda wonder how Spear Cretin would do in this format. Also, Creature Swap is pretty hilarious tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1351189311' post='6053741'] Karakuris can do okay in this format due to position changes and the fact that their Synchros summon non-Synchro monsters. Chance can attest to that. I was planning on using them for the tournament, but went with my current idea instead. [/quote] That's true. But because of the way you can easily side Double Cydragons and a chimeratech or System Down, they don't see much problem. Even Frex can attest to the Cydra plays being a huge cripple onto Machine-Type decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Monarchs dont suffer from losing staples because everything else also loses them. They can still run 3 to 5 S/T destruction cards with the same amount of swap/controlling power in addition to basically the same monster line up with minor changes. They still have hand traps to use and they have Salvage. They dont [b]need[b] Xyz that arent rank 2 and the rank 2s they use wont need to act on their own most times You trade in about 4% consistency in exchange for being able to shrug at the formats conditions that do nothing to the deck I have a couple other decks in mind that do sort of the same thing but would need to test at a later date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1351189537' post='6053748'] Monarchs dont suffer from losing staples because everything else also loses them. They can still run 3 to 5 S/T destruction cards with the same amount of swap/controlling power in addition to basically the same monster line up with minor changes. They still have hand traps to use and they have Salvage. They dont [b]need[b] Xyz that arent rank 2 and the rank 2s they use wont need to act on their own most times You trade in about 4% consistency in exchange for being able to shrug at the formats conditions that do nothing to the deck I have a couple other decks in mind that do sort of the same thing but would need to test at a later date [/quote] If it's Frog Monarchs, though, they would have to run Trag and Gorz as their Limited and Semi-Limited, or use traps... Or be very lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1351189409' post='6053744'] That's true. But because of the way you can easily side Double Cydragons and a chimeratech or System Down, they don't see much problem. Even Frex can attest to the Cydra plays being a huge cripple onto Machine-Type decks. [/quote] I would have to Agree about Cyber Dragon. For my deck at least, it's very consistent of a draw. It hits several extra deck cards hard while bringing out it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name=%26amp%3B%2339%3Bslayer_supreme%26amp%3B%2339%3B timestamp='1351189608' post='6053749'] If it's Frog Monarchs, though, they would have to run Trag and Trag as their Limited and Semi-Limited, or use traps... Or be very lucky.[/quote]They dont have to run trag at all wtf? Hes not needed though he is good Trags a good card nonetheless so I dont really see what the problem with running it as the semi when you dont need other semid cards is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nah. Frognarchs don't need Trag. What they do need is E Con, Creature Swap, and other forms of control. Whilst annoying as it is, and potent, it's, again, just "keeping up". 1 of the big decks that can get around Monarchs is Glad Beasts, and perhaps even Macro. Will they see more play, the first most likely, the second not as much and even then other "top tire" decks can still "keep up" with the meta, whilst losing a ton of their consistency. 1 of such decks is Dark Worlds and I'm sure Monarchs would have a decent tough time against them. And like I said before, if it turns out that certain decks become "problem" decks in this format, we'll handle them with correspondence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 If Monarchs remain powerful, then we could consider them as part of the Meta of Chance's Format, and as response Anti-Meta (Anti-Monarchs in this case) will pop up and palyers will side against Monarchs as well. I see not problem with that. The same happens in the official format. My point is that we can expect Chance's Meta to be different that the official's Meta, even if that means that Frognarchs manage to reach the top tiers. EDIT: For instance, "Mask of Resctrict" might become Side-Deck Material. Also, I think it's too soon to declare which Decks are Meta and which aren't in Chance's Format. I guess we will find out after the Tournament ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 If they don't have Trag, then they can't recover as well when the opponent overwhelms them. They would need Battle Faders otherwise, which aren't as powerful as Tragoedia in most situations with the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Dark Worlds need 3 Snoww and 3 Grapha and 3 Broww to be good enough to really compete and 3 Gates would be optimal too Macro is a deck that only a******s run and its a pretty awful deck at that. Plus Macronarchs exist I dont see Glad Beasts being a problem to Monarchs when Monarchs just remove all the issues on the field and dont devote much to the field except when going ftw @Slayer they only need 1 fader and 1 trag in normal conditions with the side giving you more of them should you need them. Works similarly here. And even if youre using Trag as yoru Semi whats the problem? And Monarchs is just one example. Im talking about them because they seem to be the kings of the format Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1351190253' post='6053768'] Dark Worlds need 3 Snoww and 3 Grapha and 3 Broww to be good enough to really compete and 3 Gates would be optimal too Macro is a deck that only a******s run and its a pretty awful deck at that. Plus Macronarchs exist I dont see Glad Beasts being a problem to Monarchs when Monarchs just remove all the issues on the field and dont devote much to the field except when going ftw @Slayer they only need 1 fader and 1 trag in normal conditions with the side giving you more of them should you need them. Works similarly here. And even if youre using Trag as yoru Semi whats the problem? And Monarchs is just one example. Im talking about them because they seem to be the kings of the format [/quote] Are you serious? Well, I guess you'd just have to go against Chances Dark F. World deck to understand just how good they can be in this format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1351190253' post='6053768'] Dark Worlds need 3 Snoww and 3 Grapha and 3 Broww to be good enough to really compete and 3 Gates would be optimal too [/quote] I've been testing them...and that actually doesn't seem to be the case. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1351190253' post='6053768'] And Monarchs is just one example. Im talking about them because they seem to be the kings of the format [/quote] Which is why I'm going to see them right now :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Deckbuilding is surprisingly hard without the 25 themed cards + 10 staples thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Chance%20Furlong' timestamp='1351190357' post='6053774'] I've been testing them...and that actually doesn't seem to be the case. Which is why I'm going to see them right now :3 [/quote] I saw a screenshot. Youre talking about Fabled Worlds which are worse than both Dark World and Fabled apart and have no real synergy beyond both using discards Not sure what you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 There's no problem with using Trag, I was just stating. Monarchs aren't all that hurt, now that I think about it. They can use 2 of their monarchs and 3 Swap Frog, or you could even go for non-Frog monarchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Idk, Fabled World is working pretty nice so far. It's still has it's tweaks, but I think I've got most of it down. Also, gonna try a pretty crappy form of monarchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1351190564' post='6053778'] I saw a screenshot. Youre talking about Fabled Worlds which are worse than both Dark World and Fabled apart and have no real synergy beyond both using discards Not sure what you mean [/quote] -Shakes head- You just don't understand. One Day of Peace might be an option for some Decks since it allows more time to set up. Plus it adds good combo's if you know when to use it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 No I understand. Fabled World is one of the worst decks anyone could run. Ive played both decks and their fusion and Fabled World is Tier 4 at absolute best in regular play. Maybe low Tier 3 here And Monarchs only need to compromise 1-2 slots throughout the entire deck that could otherwise be used better hence why I say they rule the format Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1351191327' post='6053789'] No I understand. Fabled World is one of the worst decks anyone could run. Ive played both decks and their fusion and Fabled World is Tier 4 at absolute best in regular play. Maybe low Tier 3 here And Monarchs only need to compromise 1-2 slots throughout the entire deck that could otherwise be used better hence why I say they rule the format [/quote] Well then, in fairness, duel Chances deck and see just how well it does. Otherwise, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Fair enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Gotta admit that Monarchs are looking pretty strong as you guys are saying. Never thought about it so I didn't side a lot against them..., well, actually I mostly sided random crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Would Gozen Match be a card to side against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='♥ D.A._Siegfried ♥' timestamp='1351191893' post='6053796'] Would Gozen Match be a card to side against them? [/quote] Not really. If they can maintain at least 1 monster, they'll be in the clear (treeborn into a monarch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Mask of Restrict, Rivalry, Gozen Match. If Monarchs become that of a threat people will side against them. Just like when they side against DW, HEROs, Wind-Ups etc. in official format. No big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I really want to face Masked Puppet's Monarchs now though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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